Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[PK781]

Our enemy is a belligerent, toxic and genocidal maniac who does not follow any rationality or civic or international norms. Therefore we cannot say that they will wait for a false flag. They live and thrive on fake news and propaganda and for them to make one up on the go and spread it is easy.
Pakistan must be proactive, shed the so-called "restraints" and teach them a heavy lesson next time before they dare to attack our cities/populations again as we simply cannot afford to be reactive, as the enemy has raised the escalation ladder. Only a matter of time and i doubt if it will be a long time before they try again to seek revenge and destruction of Pakistan.
Our forces will have to be on constant monitoring. The naval and land routes may be used more in the next phase, not sure about their air farce though they may try if USA/Israel buck them up once more.
No more complacency or restraints or we may face mounting losses if we are negligent or slow in response. They're desperate and they will strike soon, they seem to be taking lessons from ukraine and israel and probably secret support from the americans.
Pakistan urgently needs to bolster its navy assets and weaponry so that they can be even more deadly to the enemy.
May Allah SWT always bless and protect Pakistan, Aameen.

 

[Khanivore]

There are strategies to control Indian escalation but we aren’t ready to accept them as new normal. Remember nobody will fight this war for us. World today is busy in Ukraine and Iran and they don’t care. This is exactly what india did but Uncle Sam still played a role in ceasefire that caused anger in New Delhi. Problem is their calculations were wrong.

My point is simple. Escalation ladder will go up further. They have already hinted that navy will be involved in the future conflict which means karachi or blockade of pakistan etc.

This will continue to go up until one final war where Indians realize that this is their chance etc.

Our failed policies like waiting for UN to do something on Kashmir etc. I mean Palestine is almost erased in front of UN. Thing is aggressor wins. Kargil was aggressive strategy to degrade Indian mindset. India remained in this degraded mindset until modi took charge.

Under modi, they changed the whole game. Abrogation, indus water, attack on pakistan, what’s next?

Obviously one final war will be cold start doctrine and using numbers to gain advantage on different sectors. Their aim is to capture our Kashmir because of their obsession with wakhan corridor.

If we change our policy, we might see good results and we will have a solid excuse for another kargil. Declare Kashmir as integral part of pak and china. Ask india to vacate their side of Kashmir and become aggressive like after every bla attack, series of aggressive statements etc.

China knows what’s going on. Question is whether pakistan wants to take help of china or not.

Kashmir is vital for china as well as its their gateway to Pakistan and to coastal areas . I believe they will interfere next time if an offer has been made like making settlement on Kashmir before attacking Indian Kashmir. Half of Indian Kashmir to china, half to us. Countries love land.

Kashmir as our integral part will give us excuse to attack india first. Excuses like Bjp training cells and most importantly, declaring Bjp as terrorist organization so that we can target anything in india without even answering Americans.

Policy change needs courage. India showed courage. Pakistan is not showing courage on diplomatic front.

You're right - and it’s about time people stop sugarcoating the reality: India has made up its mind to escalate in a dangerous way, step by step, until it either breaks Pakistan’s will or forces a decisive conflict on its terms. And people are still sitting here waiting for UN resolutions and Western approval, while India reshapes the entire map and narrative with the backing of India's chums.

Let’s be honest - Modi’s India is playing by new rules, and Pakistan is still stuck in a playbook from the 90s. They've abrogated Article 370, ignored the Indus Water Treaty, struck deep inside Pakistan - and what has Pakistan government done in return? Give a press briefing, then accept a ceasefire - while Nawaz Sharif was nowhere to be found. This isn’t restraint. It’s strategic timidity.

If Pakistan doesn't outright declare Kashmir as its integral part - in law and action - Pakistan will never have the political cover or national confidence to move offensively. Enough with the defensive posture. If India claims a “right to strike” over imaginary terror links, Pakistan can do the same: BJP-backed militias, Hindutva terror cells, Nazism - Pakistan has evidence if Pakistan chooses to use it. Declare BJP a terrorist organisation. Pakistan needs to start playing the game by its rules for once.

As for China - yes, they know what’s going on - more than we realise. And if Pakistan offers them a stake - a settlement over Indian-occupied Kashmir, a clear roadmap - Pakistan can give them a reason to intervene when it matters. Countries don’t move on sympathy; they move for land, leverage, and legacy.

The only thing standing between Pakistan and a dominant posture is cowardice at the policy level. Like it or not: India rewrote the battlefield. If Pakistan doesn’t find its ground now — the next move by India won’t just be bigger. It might be the last one for Pakistan.

 

[PK781]

There are a lot of fighter jets flying from Multan to Bahawalpur and vice versa.
Specially in night on daily basis.
Some are saying Pakistan army holding some border posts in Indian territory but highly no evidence available.
But question is why are the fighter jets flying on daily basis over Bahawalpur?

I'm sure they (PAF) know more than anyone else, hence the active patrolling.
They have a huge responsibility and heigtened awareness these days as enemy is looking for revenge and will strike if they sense an opportunity to level some scores.
They are desperate and backed up by the zionists

 

[Gripen9]

These morons are the same lot that in 2019 were using their own shot down MiG-21's engine wreckage as evidence of a GE engine of PAF F-16 that they supposedly "shot down".

PAF is a PW shop btw

 

[Baibers_1260]

This is due to the experience and prestige our PAK air force has gathered throughout the world.

We have faced the soviets before the PAF absolutely rattled the soviets in Afghanistan.
PAF has done so many counter terrorism ops aswell

PAF has trained several other countries pilots

We have learnt the USA way of flying a plane

But these people think PAF is no match for IAF lolzzzzzzzz

PAF has shot down, Indian. Israeli, Afghan, Soviet, Sri Lankan (Tamil) aircraft.

I think PAF pilots flew covert missions in the uniforms of Jordanian, Iraqi, and Syrian Air Forces.

 

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[Khanivore]

Our enemy is a belligerent, toxic and genocidal maniac who does not follow any rationality or civic or international norms. Therefore we cannot say that they will wait for a false flag. They live and thrive on fake news and propaganda and for them to make one up on the go and spread it is easy.
Pakistan must be proactive, shed the so-called "restraints" and teach them a heavy lesson next time before they dare to attack our cities/populations again as we simply cannot afford to be reactive, as the enemy has raised the escalation ladder. Only a matter of time and i doubt if it will be a long time before they try again to seek revenge and destruction of Pakistan.
Our forces will have to be on constant monitoring. The naval and land routes may be used more in the next phase, not sure about their air farce though they may try if USA/Israel buck them up once more.
No more complacency or restraints or we may face mounting losses if we are negligent or slow in response. They're desperate and they will strike soon, they seem to be taking lessons from ukraine and israel and probably secret support from the americans.
Pakistan urgently needs to bolster its navy assets and weaponry so that they can be even more deadly to the enemy.
May Allah SWT always bless and protect Pakistan, Aameen.

Pakistan must acknowledge that it is no longer facing a conventional or rational adversary. The Indian leadership is intoxicated with power, propaganda, and a dangerous mix of religious extremism and ultra-nationalism. They fabricate pretexts with ease, feed fake narratives to their population and allies, and act without regard for international norms. Expecting them to wait for a false flag or justification before launching another attack is wishful thinking - they don’t need one now. Operation Sindoor is still active.

Restraint has only emboldened them. The May 2025 attacks proved that clearly. Pakistan showed discipline, control, and tactical capability - but this cannot become a pattern of always reacting second. That mindset will invite greater aggression. If deterrence is to be restored, Pakistan must act first the moment strategic signs emerge - not after cities are hit or forces are ambushed.

India is climbing the escalation ladder with each encounter, and they’re being silently encouraged by states with vested interests. The next strike may come from sea or land routes, perhaps even supported through foreign ISR. Pakistan’s Navy must no longer be the neglected arm. We must now invest in offensive naval power - including destroyer-class cruise missile-capable platforms, rapid-response submarines, and maritime surveillance systems - to counter and deter any move toward blockade or coastal attacks.

This isn’t about posturing - it’s about preventing destruction before it even begins. Strategic patience has its place, but strategic paralysis is what leads to defeat. Pakistan’s forces must remain on high alert, and its political leadership must be ready to authorise firm and preemptive action. The era of waiting is over.

 

[Arsalan45]

You're right - and it’s about time people stop sugarcoating the reality: India has made up its mind to escalate in a dangerous way, step by step, until it either breaks Pakistan’s will or forces a decisive conflict on its terms. And people are still sitting here waiting for UN resolutions and Western approval, while India reshapes the entire map and narrative with the backing of India's chums.

Let’s be honest - Modi’s India is playing by new rules, and Pakistan is still stuck in a playbook from the 90s. They've abrogated Article 370, ignored the Indus Water Treaty, struck deep inside Pakistan - and what has Pakistan government done in return? Give a press briefing, then accept a ceasefire - while Nawaz Sharif was nowhere to be found. This isn’t restraint. It’s strategic timidity.

If Pakistan doesn't outright declare Kashmir as its integral part - in law and action - Pakistan will never have the political cover or national confidence to move offensively. Enough with the defensive posture. If India claims a “right to strike” over imaginary terror links, Pakistan can do the same: BJP-backed militias, Hindutva terror cells, Nazism - Pakistan has evidence if Pakistan chooses to use it. Declare BJP a terrorist organisation. Pakistan needs to start playing the game by its rules for once.

As for China - yes, they know what’s going on - more than we realise. And if Pakistan offers them a stake - a settlement over Indian-occupied Kashmir, a clear roadmap - Pakistan can give them a reason to intervene when it matters. Countries don’t move on sympathy; they move for land, leverage, and legacy.

The only thing standing between Pakistan and a dominant posture is cowardice at the policy level. Like it or not: India rewrote the battlefield. If Pakistan doesn’t find its ground now — the next move by India won’t just be bigger. It might be the last one for Pakistan.

It’s not the last one. Before final
War, they will try to learn more about our tactics. Each conflict gives them confidence, confidence to invade. Problem is same old pakistani policy. UN is like a fraud, powerless organization . India calling Kashmir a bilateral issue means no intervention from any country.This is what they want, no intervention of any country so that they can dictate is everything. As I said somewhere, Indians are very clever and you need right strategy to handle them.

With mosque attack, they have already crossed all limits. Indus water issue is a worrisome development. It can’t be ignored and india knows it, somehow forcing Pakistan to attack
India first. Pakistan has no option but to attack.

Point is there is no solid excuse. Only excuse that work is when we declare Kashmir as ours but we don’t have the courage. In one scenario, Indian army is ready to face nuclear missile that’s why all this multi layered ads.

Modi is here to break Pakistan. Musharraf had similar plans and he was very aggressive. This is why we must act like Musharraf era Pakistan. We must open our own new conflict against India in order to degrade Indian mindset and put them in a coma like situation like Musharraf did during kargil. I literally saw them crying on tv while remembering kargil. Fear is necessary. This india will eat us alive if we only do retaliation .this india is not old india.

 

[ziaulislam]

Wrong
Brahmos
Scalp
Rampage

Murid - ancillary hangar - had a small tow cart
Skardu was scalp ( because Brahmos turns like a train ) but hit the side and threw debris on taxiway

Sargodha was a new system IAF has and it is impressive - but runway was operational in a few hours with flight ops never interrupted

Kirana hills is storage so front road was hit by something - but nothing impacted operationally compared to claims of “Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent lost” - the nuclear deterrent is spread out to every grid line in Pakistan with redundancy.

Jacobabad was a taxiway and an old building from British times - still fighting the angrej! Good for you.

Bholari was the ONLY true operational hit and loss - hangar with minor damage to asset and loss of life after blast frag warhead sent pieces onto staff working on floor.

And no
It wasn’t 15 systems
It was quite a few launched - of which even Brahmos 3 out of 5 were intercepted.

Scalp was purely Rafales flying nap of the earth - launching some 100k behind Indian border because they did not want to be caught - and heading back.

The same with Rampage except for one apparently (credit where credit due) brave strike package that did a textbook streak to altitude to launch the Sargodha weapon.

Everywhere else the entire airspace for 150km on Indian side was “sanitized” for PAF operations from 1000ft up.

Same reason why the JF-17 that went after S-400 encountered only SAM launches - IAF was nowhere to be found.

Wonder how did Pakistan know these were non NUCLEAR warheads vs a nuclear decapitation strike on Islamabad

Afterall BRHAMOS is NUCLEAR armed system

We were so much alarmed with accidental lunch previously
Now a nuclear system was used recklessly

 

[Khansaheeb]

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[PK781]

PAF has shot down, Indian. Israeli, Afghan, Soviet, Sri Lankan (Tamil) aircraft.

I think PAF pilots flew covert missions in the uniforms of Jordanian, Iraqi, and Syrian Air Forces.

Add Azerbaijan to that (against armenia)?

 

[Khanivore]

PAF is a PW shop btw

Yep, I'm well aware -- since the 90s.

 

[Pradotlc]

He's definitely a rat.

A smelly one at that too

 

[Pradotlc]

Thats new piece of information. Whats your source?

That is correct it was the airchief that took the initiative to counter strike India..

Not trying to have a conspiracy of Asim although I hate that guy..but the fact is PAF is a first rate outfit that takes initiative and decisive action..it just the way they ie operate quick and decisive

Theories of nawj and co delaying or hesitant due to some scam is non sense