Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[SoulSpokesman]

@Oscar sb,

What is RAPIDS?

Regards

 

[Baibers_1260]

@Oscar sb

But he was moving to a desperate move of escalation which caused the intervention.

Fair point. But escalate with what? The IAF was already grounded and India had already fired its bolt in the form of Brahmos.

Regards

India had a naval option ready. It was planning to escalate by first blockading then striking Karachi as a punishment.

It is highly unlikely Pakistan would passively accept the blockade and destruction of its largest port and commercial hub.
It would have got messy :

• Pakistani submarines had already left port to seed the ports on the Indian west coast line with mines making them temporarily inoperable and in a further escalation target both commercial and naval vessels.
• Pakistan's coastal batteries armed with anti-ship carrier killer missiles would have sunk Indian naval assets in a further escalation.
• Backed by JF-17s, and Mirage Vs an air assault to break the blockade would have been inevitable . At this time ( until India upgraded to Rafales) the threat from 12 vintage Mig 29K on board the aircraft carrier Vikrant was manageable
• In the event of a failure by Pakistan to break the blockade the naval battle would likely go nuclear. Pakistan is known to possess sub-kiloton war head (modified Harpoon) submarine launched missiles to knock out heavier naval assets. A naval blockade of Karachi is a case for first use of nuclear weapons under Pakistan's doctrine.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Ok, thanks, @Baibers_1260 . I agree that would be crossing a red line.

Regards

 

[Abdul q]

@Meengla sb,

My Pakistani brethren here have been telling me that IND lost and Modi went crying to world powers for a ceasefire but your leader Billo is singing a different tune:

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Obviously, we've all come here and engaged on this mission with the hopes that by engaging international partners, just as they convinced Mr. Modi to agree to a ceasefire, they perhaps can convince the Modi government to agree to a comprehensive dialogue

So who is correct? Billo? Or my PDF brethren

Regards

Listen up gangu… you had two choices ceasefire or trade….. so what did your bhagwan trump say???

 

[veeru]

Modi agreed to back down realizing no one of his hugging buddies were going to stop Pakistan from doing what it would do and he backed down.

Neither India or Pakistan wanted to escalate.
Because both side believed their objective has been achieved.

Pakistan military will say to its people they defeated India.
India would say we have punished pakistan and warned them of no further terror attacks in India.

If we don't see any big terror attack in Kashmir in next foreseeable future and I believe that would be a case. Then op Sindoor would be considered as success for India.

 

[Salza]

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smoked into pieces

 

[Areesh]

So who is correct? Billo? Or my PDF brethren

Regards

You can twist it whatever way you want to. Nowhere the video says that Pakistan asked USA for ceasefire. It simply says USA convinced Modi to go for ceasefire. Now why modi agreed to ceasefire on a day when Pakistan was firing missiles into mainland India like Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat? Did he get scared? Did he wet his dhoti?

It is up to you guys to tell us more about that

 

[Areesh]

Then op Sindoor would be considered as success for India.

Anything from Modi is a success in India. There is a big IT cell and Noida TV channels that would ensure that irrespective of ground realities

 

[veeru]

In a written question submitted to the French Parliament by French parliamentarian Marc Savant, it was confirmed by intelligence data from American analysts and NATO partners that at least one Indian Rafale fighter jet was shot down by a PL-15E missile launched by a Pakistani J-10 CE equipped with KLJ-10A active phased array radar. It is clear that Rafale's SPECTRA electronic warfare system did not work... Regarding this, has France made corresponding improvements to adapt to the new generation of active phased array radar and active guided air-to-air missilesView attachment 125916

Can anybody explain to me:

How Pakistan shot down 5 IAF jets on including 3 Rafales(Pak claim) on May 7?

But none on the day of May 10 even though IAF was doing the exact same thing using SoWs and more over it struck military targets, higher in numbers and much further into Pakistan?

May be the answer will tell you why India would achieve its objectives of op Sindoor and why there would be peace in Kashmir going forward.

@MastanKhan @Oscar @Meengla @Waz

 

[Areesh]

Can anybody explain to me:

How Pakistan shot down 5 IAF jets on including 3 Rafales(Pak claim) on May 7?

But none on the day of May 10 even though IAF was doing the exact same thing using SoWs and more over it struck military targets, higher in numbers and much further into Pakistan?

IAF was firing missiles from deep Inside Indian territory. IAF didn't dare to come anywhere close to Pakistani border. Also many missiles were SSM

Or else as per some Indian journalists PAF was inside Indian airspace on the morning of 10th May and still IAF failed to shoot down any PAF aircraft

 

[veeru]

Anything from Modi is a success in India. There is a big IT cell and Noida TV channels that would ensure that irrespective of ground realities

Not true. Media can't fool people. Not easy in Pakistan and not possible in India given the size and diversity. At the end of the day It is people who set the agenda for politicians.

 

[Areesh]

Not true. Media can't fool people.

Actually it is easiest in India. The kind of echo chamber that exists in India where people are forced to accept government narrative or else they would be declared anti-national makes it very easy for Modi government

Even 2019 was sold as a success in India despite the fact that only one dying in that operation were IAF MI17 crew

 

[veeru]

IAF was firing missiles from deep Inside Indian territory. IAF didn't dare to come anywhere close to Pakistani border. Also many missiles were SSM

Or else as per some Indian journalists PAF was inside Indian airspace on the morning of 10th May and still IAF failed to shoot down any PAF aircraft

SSM weren't used.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

SSM weren't used.

right, you won!

now get lost!

 

[veeru]

Actually it is easiest in India. The kind of echo chamber that exists in India where people are forced to accept government narrative or else they would be declared anti-national makes it very easy for Modi government

Even 2019 was sold as a success in India despite the fact that only one dying in that operation were IAF MI17 crew

When people are killed in terror attack Govt narrative and opposition party narrative becomes same and mostly competitive rather than divergent. On Pakistan there not much opposing views in India.