Pakistan has a Problem | Quwa Group - My Counter Thoughts

[Ak01]

Ratio is 70:30
But the issue isn’t the interceptions that work
Its the “good enough”
Lets say the 70:30 remains - that means 7 intercepted to 3 hits if ten launched.



But increasing the launch numbers means many more get through.

3 Brahmos caused “minor but tangible damage”
What happens when its 30?
What happens when its 60 or 90?

bingo- i keep saying this, theres no reliable means of interception

 

[Ak01]

There is enough chatter in the main stream media.

Pakistan targeted Delhi with its Fatah-II, intercepted in Sirsa – How lethal is Fatah? Know range, trajectory and more​

https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/how-lethal-is-pakistans-fatah-ii-missile-know-range-trajectory-and-more/3839319/

mainstream media chats yes, but out its arse.

Not a single pic of Fatah 2 wreck unconvered, its not a small missile, it would have been found. So i call doubt.

 

[Zorawar Light Tank]

Your statement is exactly what I see as the most brutal and realistic aspect of the India Pakistan conflict. India does not treat the other side as a human being. You are using a conqueror or comparing India to the world hegemon, the United States. No wonder I see a lot of Indian people making comments like yours on x.I learned the most practical thing: facing India. Only suitable for the law of the jungle, the law of the jungle, survival of the fittest.

26 people killed in Kashmir were human beings too, and it is the Indian government’s responsibility to ensure the safety and security of its citizens. I can show you numerous videos from Pakistan where religious scholars openly call for jihad (War) against Non-Muslims “kafirs” (infidels). anyone in India making similar calls for violence against people of any faith would be arrested and jailed.

Declaring jihad against Hindus is effectively an act of war against India, and India has every right to neutralize individuals in Pakistan who incite or call for such violence against the country.

 

[veeru]

Ratio is 70:30
But the issue isn’t the interceptions that work
Its the “good enough”
Lets say the 70:30 remains - that means 7 intercepted to 3 hits if ten launched.



But increasing the launch numbers means many more get through.

3 Brahmos caused “minor but tangible damage”
What happens when its 30?
What happens when its 60 or 90?

India fired around 15 BrahMos missiles in total.​

Exclusive: India fired around 15 BrahMos missiles on Pakistani air bases - BusinessToday

The aircraft missions carrying the missiles like the BrahMos and Scalp flew from the different air bases in western air command and south western air command areas. The missions had attacked almost all the major sites of Pakistani Air Force and 11 of their 13 bases were hit.

www.businesstoday.in

 

[the vicious kind]

Why are we hell bent on downplaying- genuinely?

Some of our deepest airbases were struck, an erieye was damaged, personnel were killed and runways had holes in them.

Why is this not alarming to you that we were not able to prevent this, but beyond this, why is it not alarming to you that we were not prepared for this?

If we had volleys of dozens of missiles per target inbound, the airbases would not be roast, theyd be cremated... Its this "meh, nothing happened" attitude that lead this to happen- its the same attitude thats carried on in the upper levels of the leadership. Even Indian CDS said we learnt and implemented, yet we want to bury our heads in the sand.

a gap of a few thousand missiles is not small!

But let me one-up your argument for the sake of discussion. Let’s say every single interception failed. Even then—do you really consider hitting a maintenance hangar a “successful” strike?. And no , the attack of Erieye is not substainiated in any way, there is no evidence of erieye being damaged or destroyed, hiding an AWACS kill is impossible these days.

If you’re genuinely trying to understand the effectiveness of such strikes, I suggest reading RAND Corporation reports and other military assessments on what kind of munitions and targeting is required to actually neutralize an airbase. Spoiler: it takes far more than a dozen of cruise missiles to knock out hardened shelters, runways, and aircraft in any meaningful or sustained way.

"a gap of a few thousand missiles is not small!"
The number of Babur, Ra’ad, Fateh, and Nasr missile systems in Pakistan’s inventory is a closely guarded secret. There’s no credible open-source data that provides an accurate estimate of how many have been produced or deployed.

So any claims about a supposed “gap” are pure speculation at best.

 

[the vicious kind]

Pakistan did launch several nuclear-capable ballistic and cruise missiles, but all of them were flawlessly intercepted by India’s air defense system. The global praise for India’s air defense isn’t without reason—it is a highly refined system, deeply integrated into the country’s network-centric warfare ecosystem.

Evidence ? Footage?? Wreakage. Like most indian claims , you are gonna rely "Trust me bro " sources. Look beyond your echo chamber and you will find the truth

 

[Zorawar Light Tank]

India fired around 15 BrahMos missiles in total.​

Exclusive: India fired around 15 BrahMos missiles on Pakistani air bases - BusinessToday

The aircraft missions carrying the missiles like the BrahMos and Scalp flew from the different air bases in western air command and south western air command areas. The missions had attacked almost all the major sites of Pakistani Air Force and 11 of their 13 bases were hit.

www.businesstoday.in

India fired a total of 16 BrahMos missiles; one was aborted and self-destructed in mid-air after the ceasefire was called, it was headed toward PAC Kamra.

 

[Oscar]

bingo- i keep saying this, theres no reliable means of interception

And THERE WONT be
From GW1 to the Houtis and Ukraine.

Saturation attacks will overwhelm systems.

People are forgetting
Sams dont grow on Fauji Foundation farms
They cost money per missle
A single AHEAD round for the Oerlikon is a few hundred dollars

You are usually looking at doctrine to launch more than one missile to intercept a system like Brahmos.

Eventually you need to conserve those missiles for other attacks

However, you cannot afford the numbers needed to have some very dense AD.

So your window is simple - right after the initial attacks go all out to destroy those attackers - or they shoot first and you lose your ability to strike back.

You can shoot every IAF jet out of the sky all the way to Dehli and have their pilots refuse to leave their bedrooms but unless you follow up with destroying offensive weapons to you in an all out fashion - you’re not preventing any losses to yourself.

 

[MS Sandhu]

We're really good at making it look like we're doing something. We have a ton of designs, but as of right now, alot of these things are concepts that are looking for a customer to fund them.

I dont at all believe even half the stuff shown is in production to be very honest! The only movement ive seen on Sarkash is that they changed the name lol

Fatah-1 has seen active combat,I think at least one regiment (18 TELs) was operational by last year statistics.Shahpar 2 is also operational (although in limited numbers) and so is F-2
It was reported by EDR magazine that a batch of F-2 was delivered to army and subsequent batches are under production.
Yes Sarkash & co are yet ideas but F2 is some serious capability in ballistic context
So my point was we are finally scaling up Production lately.

 

[Oscar]

1. Bawagalpur is 150km from Indian border.

2. Activation of ADs meant, your AWACS would have go beyond 200km behind because of S-400 and not able to give accurate radar pictures to PAF jets which had shut down their radars.

3. They would have sat down for 5 day or nine days or ever had there been no Fateh missile attack on India.

Most AWACS dont go 200km closer to Forward line of troops. S-400 or not.
Its a high value asset that can see 500km so not much of an issue.

Please keep coming up with entertainment in idiotic claims.

 

[Oscar]

India fired around 15 BrahMos missiles in total.​

Exclusive: India fired around 15 BrahMos missiles on Pakistani air bases - BusinessToday

The aircraft missions carrying the missiles like the BrahMos and Scalp flew from the different air bases in western air command and south western air command areas. The missions had attacked almost all the major sites of Pakistani Air Force and 11 of their 13 bases were hit.

www.businesstoday.in

Your news and views have zero value here.

 

[Zorawar Light Tank]

Evidence ? Footage?? Wreakage. Like most indian claims , you are gonna rely "Trust me bro " sources. Look beyond your echo chamber and you will find the truth

People in the border areas witnessed hundreds of incoming missiles being flawlessly intercepted in the air by India’s interceptor missiles. Every single missile was neutralized with 100% accuracy—no one saw even a single missile bypass the Indian air defense system.

 

[veeru]

mainstream media chats yes, but out its arse.

Not a single pic of Fatah 2 wreck unconvered, its not a small missile, it would have been found. So i call doubt.

Debris of Pakistani Fateh Missile at Sirsa.

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[Pogic]

bingo- i keep saying this, theres no reliable means of interception

Realistically, who does have a reliable means of interception. We saw how poorly Israel's AD performed against Iranian missiles despite being given prior warning of launch, much longer missile travel distance and the strength of RJAF and U.S navy. Just 2 days ago we saw how Ukraine's AD which has almost every western AD system struggle against Russian missiles. I don't think building intercept capability really is a viable strategy against BM's just because of how ineffective they are. Really the only good strategy is effective counter offensive missiles but if your strategy is to respond to a country wide BM attack on Pakistan with a country wide BM attack on India why not just go straight to limited tactical nuke strikes?

 

[MS Sandhu]

Debris of Pakistani Fateh Missile at Sirsa.

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This one found in Sirsa is S125 pechora debris