krash
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Might want to tell that to your own military spokespersons as well. Those poor bastards have no idea.
Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion
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Might want to tell that to your own military spokespersons as well. Those poor bastards have no idea.
Hayabusa
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The most laughably delusional part is that there are dozens of videos circulating, clearly showing their airbases getting hammered. Explosions, smoke, chaos it's all there, plain as day.Note the person recording is saying that the Air Force is being attacked with missiles….. ‘err err but we shot every one down’
And yet, here come the Indians, proudly thumping their chests, insisting their anti-air systems magically intercepted everything and there is no/ little damage. It's like watching someone get punched in the face and then claim they dodged it.
How do you reason with that level of denial?
Answer: You don't. You leave them to rot in their fantasy, a bubble of blind nationalism and fairytales, where losing looks like victory and facts are just optional.
Distant_Observer
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vasanthm
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If such an effort is carried out in a transparent and internationally credible manner, it could compel even a hardline government in India to acknowledge the shift and engage more seriously on other outstanding issues. Public opinion would likely move in favor of peace. However, realistically, it's unlikely Pakistan has too many entrenched interest groups that benefit from the existence of these terror outfits and won't allow their complete dismantling.
hussain0216
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Hakikat ve Hikmet
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A good analysis on how the "kill web" is generated without the signatures of the radar signals which produce lots of power, and, hence, are easy to detect by the enemy. Instead, if you use low power signals for ultra-secured jamming/hacking proof digital wireless communication links (with indigenous schemes at the physical layer and protocol stacks implemented in your ultra-secret unique ICs; all unknown to your enemies) for guidance and detection, it's hard to detect....
Hakikat ve Hikmet
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Like 2019, their IFF (identification of friend and foe) system might have got hacked again! It implies the end of the air ops....
Hakikat ve Hikmet
VIP Member
This Sanskritized Hindi is so painful to hear. Almost no fluency and smoothness in it. It's as ugly as Hindutva....
Hakikat ve Hikmet
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Meengla
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Starting to watch this Indian channel and also excerpted below the topmost news on NY Times related to the video. When you start to think a little more about it and factor in another NY Times topmost news some weeks ago when the Americans were thinking about carving the world into three 'spheres of influence' (America, Russia, and China) then the recent events become so interesting and not so pleasing to Indian ears.
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“OUR DEAL WITH CHINA IS DONE, SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL WITH PRESIDENT XI AND ME,” Mr. Trump wrote on Truth Social. “RELATIONSHIP IS EXCELLENT!”
The full details of agreement were not immediately released. But it essentially involves China relaxing its restrictions on shipments of valuable rare earth minerals and magnets needed by U.S. manufacturers. In return, U.S. officials would roll back limits that they had placed on exports of U.S. products and technology, including ethane and airplane parts, as well as the proposed visa restrictions. Both had been intended to put pressure on the Chinese."
And the video.
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“OUR DEAL WITH CHINA IS DONE, SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL WITH PRESIDENT XI AND ME,” Mr. Trump wrote on Truth Social. “RELATIONSHIP IS EXCELLENT!”
The full details of agreement were not immediately released. But it essentially involves China relaxing its restrictions on shipments of valuable rare earth minerals and magnets needed by U.S. manufacturers. In return, U.S. officials would roll back limits that they had placed on exports of U.S. products and technology, including ethane and airplane parts, as well as the proposed visa restrictions. Both had been intended to put pressure on the Chinese."
And the video.
PakShaheen_79
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Surprisingly Pakistan has deterrence of Naval Brahmos. CM-302 is based on YJ-12 supersonic AsHM cruise missile which can also be used in land attack mode.
Meengla
Elite Member
Great post!!!
And, if an Indian source to be believed, Kuwait is increasing Pakistani workforce in Kuwait at the potential expense of 500,000+ Indian workers in Kuwait. Just replacing a major part of Indian workforce from the Middle East with Pakistanis would earn Pakistan tens of billions of $$ in extra remittance every year and that would NOT be a brain-drain on Pakistan!
Meengla
Elite Member
That Tweet in your post by Sushant Singh is well pondering to by Indians. And I think America's slight distances from India had started even under the Biden administration but apparently greatly accelerated under Trump II.
It will be nice if India moves closer to peace with Pakistan. Really nice even if the desire for peace in India maybe finally arising because deep down even the most jingoistic Indian should know that without a total Western backing, India can't possibly deal with a Pakistan-China combine. However, please don't blame it on Pakistanis 'entrenched interests groups': Pakistan was effectively under a Martial Law when a sitting Army Chief cum President of Pakistan General Musharraf was making painful compromises over Kashmir with India. It is India which elected Modi 11 years ago and keeps electing him.
PakShaheen_79
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Pentagon came to rescue GHQ again. We will never know how much and what will be traded for these statements and approval from Washington. There never was a Pak-US relations but it was and is Pentagon-GHQ relations. If US approves, we might see an end of democracy in Pakistan (Not that it exists anywhere in the first place) or whatever sham replica of it we have. Given the emerging scenario in regional and global geopolitics, any such change in constitutional and legal framework of the state are going to have long term security ramifications for Pakistan. FM sahib is too keen to continue till 2037 if not 2047 (As some political commentators think). In the context of Indo-Pak rivalry, this is how US has managed to damage Pakistan by denying the natural progression and evolution of Pakistan as a NATION. Experiments after experiments. All Failed. Question is, do we have time for this. On the other hand, we have an enemy that wants to reduce us to Gaza, even worse and who happens to be 10 times of our economy and it is turning its economic prowess in military prowess and Pakistan tasted this transformation during the recent conflict. Our shortcomings in key areas like BDA completely exposed but with a defensive mindset a military can only think and manage this far. Minimum Credible Deterrence also demands revision which demands increased resources which demands long term political stability. For that we need to be our own biggest support and this demands character of leadership which unfortunately is missing at powerful positions in this country. Problem is not our weaker economy, problem is our state fundamentals which have gone completely wrong for various reasons.
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