Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

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[ShapurII]

At least Turkey and Iran should keep eternal pact of non-aggression, one of really few functional cases globally between two inherently rivals turned to acceptable neighbors, for centuries avoiding serious conflicts...

Such conflict would be delirium for all of the friends, enemies, allies...everyone would enjoy seeing them decimate each other...

For Pakistan, I think is even harder to believe in possibility of bigger conflict... Conflicts are possible in Baluchistan, but that's the different story...

It is unusual for the Middle East and Asia Minor but Europe is full of such cases.
France and Britain, Italy and Austria, Poland and Germany, etc.

Iran needs a new defense strategy. Reliance on ballistic missiles as the sole deterrent has been proven to be insufficient for defending Iran against the US and Israel. Being a nuclear threshold state has proven to be extremely costly with nearly no return. And our investment in the Axis of Resistance has been the same. Too costly with low return. We need a new strategy, which is possible only if younger people enter the top leadership.

 

[vmro]

It is unusual for the Middle East and Asia Minor, but Europe is full of such cases.
France and Britain, Italy and Austria, Poland and Germany, etc.

Iran needs a new defense strategy. Reliance on ballistic missiles as the sole deterrent has been proven to be insufficient for defending Iran against the US and Israel. Being a nuclear threshold state has proven to be extremely costly with nearly no return. And our investment in the Axis of Resistance has been the same. It's too costly with low return. We need a new strategy, which is possible only if younger people enter the top leadership.

Yes, but Europe is a bad example. From supreme global overlords, they decimated each other, degrading itself in the process of practically second rate factor... with impossible chances of renewal, they will be majority Islamic populated in some way or another, but if Islam itself survives the poisonous corruption and attraction of fatal immorality of the west...

So no, Europeans are not comparable, Iran and Turkey are still unique in that way....and I hope they will stay on that path for the centuries ahead of us...

 

[tsunset]

We should wait for the coming weeks if Iran has planned a massive commando operation to arrest every IAEA personnel inside Iran to use them as leverage for talks and snapback procedure with EU/US

 

[ShapurII]

We should wait for the coming weeks if Iran has planned a massive commando operation to arrest every IAEA personnel inside Iran to use them as leverage for talks and snapback procedure with EU/US

What will be achieved by arresting IAEA personnel?!
And who needs commandos for arresting a bunch of nerds in suits? Are you serious?
Other than depicting Iran as a terrorist nation that takes the personnel of an international UN agency hostage, how does that achieve anything?

 

[StrategicBear]

Iran has wargamed for this scenario?

 

[Tijani]

Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon must form a joint statement about the upcoming Israeli/US agression against Iran.

None of the aforementioned states possess the sovereignty required to make strategic decisions not aligned with the dictates of zionist occupied West. Their economies—to varying degrees—are deeply dependent on the financial and political structures controlled by these forces, leaving them vulnerable to punitive measures. The case of Türkiye under Erdogan is a stark example: when he dared to voice dissent, the Trump administration weaponized economic pressure to enforce strict compliance. Such dependency ensures that true autonomy remains an illusion.

Antony Blinken (U.S. Secretary of State) – "No Alternative to NATO" – 2022 Speech in Berlin:
"There is no strategic autonomy for NATO allies… The transatlantic alliance is the foundation of European security."
If a Zionist mouthpiece like Blinken can openly dictate such terms to so-called "allies," imagine the suffocating constraints imposed on the militarily and economically colonized states like Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon. These nations can only envy Türkiye's comparatively privileged position. "Resistance is futile." Truly!

 

[hussain0216]

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Absolutely, Iran needs to push towards nuclear weapons

If Israel can have them, then why not Iran????

A land invasion is impossible, they would require millions of soldiers and where exactly would they bring them from?
Where would they land and prepare a launch?
It would take months and months to build and forces and In the meantime Iran isn't like Iraq was, it has multiple options to roast those forces

At worst this will be air or naval strikes

And in response, Iran needs to shut the straights of Hormuz to exact a economic cost on anyone supporting the attack

Target and destroy any and every American post or base in the region

Target Israel hard and aim for vital targets both economic, nuclear and military

And declare any attack will result in Iran absolutely going for nuclear weapons in the aftermath


Israeli options are also limited, they have the option of long range air attack where they have to travel.over multiple states to at best launch limited attacks



Let's all be sensible, Israel and the U.S have limited options
Don't get me wrong THEY WOULD LOVE TO ATTACK IRAN but iran isnt a small unarmed state
It has multiple offensive options at it's disposal

 

[hussain0216]

I also want to point out, the peoples of the Muslim world overwhelmingly support Palestine

But Palestine is small and unarmed, and as a result its difficult to support them especially considering the Arab states are such cowards and cockroaches


In the recent conflict between India and Pakistan, Pakistan had the ability to hit India hard, to bring down their air force and defend itself as a result friendly nations had the ability to provide support to Pakistan that helped Pakistan put India in its place


In any conflict Iran has, it's not in the regions interest to see Iran destroyed or defeated
Current U.S ticking of Pakistani balls, is to get Pakistan onside against Iran

Pakistan will play the game, but it's not in Pakistans interest to allow any action against Iran, same goes with Turkey


This leaves the U.S with very limited options

Naval strikes can of course occur
But they would shut the straights of Hormuz effecting economies and oil supply from multiple states and can't be done for long

U.S navy will need a base, non of the regional countries can be bases because they are too close to Iran and Iran can strike targets there



This is why the U.S is so hesitant and all this chest beating is to try and get Iran to agree

 

[Persian Gulf]

Launch a new enrichment center at "secure location".
This could go either way:
1. It is really an important develop if the location already exists but is confidential, or
2. It is absolutely useless and worthless if they're going to start building this "location" after now. We don't have time for that.

If it already exists and is confidential, then it's an important development.
Also, I wonder if IR-8 and IR-9 are ready for production.

I have good news for you: the site is already built and prepared and they are installing the centrifuges now

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[Persian Gulf]

candidates for new enrichment site:

Qazvin (200-250m underground)
Isfahan (250m underground)
New Natanz site (150m underground)

by comparison:

Natanz (20m underground with 8m of reinforced concrete)
Fordow (80-100m underground)

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no number of 30,000lb GBU-57 bombs (which only the US has) can destroy a facility 200m under hard rock / mountain. even a nuclear bunker buster like B61 would probably not be able to do that.

their best bet is to destroy all the entrances and power supply and ventilators, but that can be fixed.

 

[Comandante]

I have written many times, it is not a godless person who possesses nuclear weapons for the sake of peace. It is true that nuclear weapons can kill many people, but their possession can save at least as many, if not more, lives. How many Iraqis died in Iraq, and how many would have died if Iraq had actually had chemical and nuclear weapons?

 

[ShapurII]

candidates for new enrichment site:

Qazvin (200-250m underground)
Isfahan (250m underground)
New Natanz site (150m underground)

by comparison:

Natanz (20m underground with 8m of reinforced concrete)
Fordow (80-100m underground)

Most likely, it will be Qazvin. It is far from Natanz and Fordow, further making the aerial campaign difficult and costly. And 250m underground? That's impressive!

Now we just need one more thing for me to sleep peacefully at night: uranium metal production. The only remaining piece.

 

[ShapurII]

I have written many times, it is not a godless person who possesses nuclear weapons for the sake of peace. It is true that nuclear weapons can kill many people, but their possession can save at least as many, if not more, lives. How many Iraqis died in Iraq, and how many would have died if Iraq had actually had chemical and nuclear weapons?

Saddam had chemical weapons. He just didn't have the cojones to use them against the US coalition.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Most likely, it will be Qazvin. It is far from Natanz and Fordow, further making the aerial campaign difficult and costly. And 250m underground? That's impressive!

Now we just need one more thing for me to sleep peacefully at night: uranium metal production. The only remaining piece.

IIRC, according to the latest IAEA reports that came out recently, they say Iran experimented with 10kg of uranium metal and they are not sure where it went

btw 250m underground in this context can mean the facility is on ground level but there is 250m of mountain directly above it (i.e., you tunnel through the base of a mountain)