Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
As said a million times before, air defense without having an air force is meaningless.

We can't destroy the Israeli air force. We do not have real-time satellite imagery to catch them in time. Our missiles are not accurate enough and most of their jet fighters are airborne now.
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with Qasem Basir and cluster munitions and constant drone attacks we can disrupt their air base operations to a significant degree to at least take some pressure off our home front
 
ShapurII said:
I continue to believe that Netanyahu's endgame is regime change. He probably has counted on revolts and uprisings in Iran, which was likely at first because the country felt helpless and the regime seemed unable to defend Iran, but now that the tide is turning, it's extremely unlikely to happen. Iranians have never been this united in a long time.

This sort of aerial campaign will never work against hardened targets like Fordow or Natanz. They're just scratching the surface without much success. The only possible exception is if they can get boots on the ground to enter these underground facilities. Maybe that's why they have defined a two-week plan.

This is probably their plan, which I had more or less predicted a few weeks before this war happened in another thread:
1. Shock and awe through decapitation of high ranking generals
2. SEAD/DEAD to establish air superiority over Iranian territory
3. Suppression of Iran's ability to launch missiles to retaliate
4. Suppression of Iran's ground forces to send commandos or special forces in
5. Create chaos in Iran by asking people to topple the regime, activating their sleeper cells in Tehran, Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Baluchistan, Ahvaz, etc.
6. Destroy Iranian underground facilities while Iran is in chaos using boots on the ground
7. If everything went well, topple the regime.

They seem to be at stage 3 or 4 now. I don't think they will ever be able to move on to stage 5, as Iranians seem quite united now. At least, as long as the regime is fighting back, everything's good.
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Surely Iran has enough soldiers for boots on the ground to simply surround these locations ? So that a boots on the ground operation is simply impossible ?
 
Dariush-e Bozorg said:
IR supporters (no disrespect to anyone) tend to believe IR's claims despite massive amount of evidence that say the opposite. This is the result of decades long of brainwashing and propaganda and now when the reality is biting they are trying to self-therapy.

It takes time but even hardcore IR supporters will finally realize the truth.
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You think that Bibi is so much so long needed reformator of Iranian national state...???

I know that he had several statements that freedom for Iran, liberation of Iran from occupational Iranian military forces, is his primary concern, but many were skeptical about his honesty...
 
R2D2 said:
Pakistan should covertly supply Iran with the needed missiles and drones and also coordinate with China to send J-10 aircrafts with pilots similar to the 1973 War when Pakistan pilots fought against Israel from Jordan. For China it will be a booster as their aircrafts will get battle field experience and Iran will become a big buyer of Chinese military equipment in the future.
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J-10 will be suicidal against F-35.

Even J-35 export variant will be suicidal against Israeli F-35 which is domestic US variant (not export).
 
PakAl said:
It's too late to go nuclear now. Israel is ruling the skies, they WILL destroy every military installations, missile bases, navy assets. I think they knew Iran is speaking the truth and not going nuclear so this is why Israel attacked them. We have been discussing on PDF for decades but Iranians never believed the situation that is happening now, that Iaf is in their skies, they thought Israel cannot reach and Iran is too far. I fail to understand if Iran didn't have anything then why keep on making empty threats, and arm militias such as hizbollah and the rest to target Israel. Today the zionist are making Iran pay for this.

They will continue bombing Iran, even if peace is done, they will still bomb Iran like they used to bomb syria in the name of killing terrorists and destroy missile factories. They will never allow Iran to rise again as a regional power.
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Years ago a USAF F35 and F22 stayed in Iranian airspace for a long time
that should have been a wakeup call for them
 
If only Iran made a nuke somewhere and dispatched it to the heart of Tel Aviv. Like YESTERDAY.

Iranian Forces were complacent, thinking diplomacy would save them. Army's job is to stay ahead and alert, not waste time with diplomats.
 
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Houthis continue to fire drones at Israel
 
PakAl said:
It's too late to go nuclear now. Israel is ruling the skies, they WILL destroy every military installations, missile bases, navy assets. I think they knew Iran is speaking the truth and not going nuclear so this is why Israel attacked them. We have been discussing on PDF for decades but Iranians never believed the situation that is happening now, that Iaf is in their skies, they thought Israel cannot reach and Iran is too far. I fail to understand if Iran didn't have anything then why keep on making empty threats, and arm militias such as hizbollah and the rest to target Israel. Today the zionist are making Iran pay for this.

They will continue bombing Iran, even if peace is done, they will still bomb Iran like they used to bomb syria in the name of killing terrorists and destroy missile factories. They will never allow Iran to rise again as a regional power.
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You have to understand the mentality and psyche of the ruling regime (Islamic Republic) to understand the strange decisions and mindset.

It is a regime based on slogans since the late 70's. So many slogans until their own generals and commanders believed in it.

How do you explain being on the brink of war and your commanders going to sleep in their pyjamas at home? There is only one explanation for that.
 
Dariush-e Bozorg said:
... We know this, but what we do not know is what the end game of Israel is. What is it? Is it the fall of IR regime? Weakening of the regime to the point it ceases to be a credible military threat to Israel? ...
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Not the Zionist end game but the US's end game, is to completely destroy Iran as a nation state and turn it into another Syria.

That's what the US had decided and planned for within weeks of 11 September 2001 attacks, according to the former US NATO Commander Wesley Clark.

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Israel has closed its main airport until further notice
 
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