Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

brazensword said:
With the amount of subterfuge going on in Iran, whats to say the AWACS gets outed and Israel takes an opportunity to down it. Not to mention the diplomatic fallout; Israel will be accusing of Pakistan entering the war while our beloved Field Marshal is in the US.
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If that is the case, then our defense minister should not be talking big and bringing Pakistan into a fight it’s not able to support.

This is exactly why I started my statement with “If Pakistan is serious”.
 
RealNapster said:
Iran went behind us. Shared everything with USA. Told them Pakistan give them these. Pakistan had to blame AQ Khan for all this fiasco as the state of Pakistan couldn't accept the "crimes". So AQ Khan had to come on National TV and ask for forgiveness from the Nation and international community.

The person thanks to whom we are free and confident that no one can do fcuk about us, that person had to apologize, and go to imprisonment. Even if it was for centrifuges only. Pakistan is still blamed as proliferate thanks to these past incidents. Qadafi did this too.
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There are many individuals who need to be thanked, not just AQ, although he was critical.
 
Scientific analysis of what we witnessed at dawn today, where Israel was hit by a hypersonic missile , marking Iran's first use of such a weapon. However, it is not the globally recognized hypersonic type like China's DF-ZF, but rather a quasi-hypersonic missile scientifically termed Quasi-HGV. It operates at speeds between 5 to 6 Mach during the terminal dive phase but without actual maneuvering, unlike true hypersonic missiles such as China's DF-ZF or Russia's Zircon.

But what is Israel's capability in intercepting quasi-hypersonic missiles like Fattah 1 and 2?

What defensive systems does Israel have to intercept quasi-hypersonic missiles?

It has two systems capable of countering them, as follows:

David’s Sling: An air defense system developed and integrated into their defense network alongside the Patriot PAC-3 MSE system. It is distinguished by three features: high interception speed reaching up to 7 Mach, triple guidance with three seekers (active radar, infrared (IR), and electro-optical (CCD)), and high maneuverability, allowing it to engage quasi-hypersonic missiles.

THAAD: It also has the capability to intercept quasi-hypersonic missiles due to its high speed, reaching up to 8 Mach, and maneuverability enabled by the Hit-To-Kill system, which allows the projectile to maneuver and collide with the target. It also has the ability to target in the upper atmosphere (Exosphere), but this is contingent on early detection and precise discrimination among targets. However, it is clear they failed to distinguish it entirely.

Arrow 2/3:It is ineffective against quasi-hypersonic ballistic systems because it was designed to target conventional ballistic missiles with fixed, non-maneuvering trajectories.

Most likely, the Iranians used the Fattah 2 missile, which, according to available data, ascends to the stratosphere, making it undetectable by radar from the moment of launch, unlike the TPY-2 radar associated with the THAAD system, which can track but still suffers from the missile's maneuverability, rendering it ineffective against quasi-hypersonic missiles.

Summary: Israel possesses systems like David’s Sling and THAAD capable of countering quasi-hypersonic missiles like Fattah-2, thanks to their high speed and maneuverability. However, successful interception depends on early detection and precise discrimination, especially since such missiles fly at low, maneuvering trajectories. As for the Arrow 2/3 system, it is not the optimal choice, as it is designed for ballistic missiles with fixed, non-maneuvering trajectories. Therefore, Israel was unable to intercept it because they failed to meet the conditions mentioned.

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Persian Gulf said:
if we only launch 80 missiles again we are finished

we needed to launch 1000 missiles in the first days just to deplete their interceptors

now we only launched 280-300, we are very far away
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It's probably a calculation

How many missiles Iran has, how long do they think the conflict will last?

How many missiles do they want to fire per day and for how long

Target acquisition (although you should have had a list years ago that you would be working through)



For all the talk of thousands of missiles, you can't fire hundreds per night without creating a dent in your stock


The question I would ask is IF the missile strategy was Iran's plan

Then they should have created tens of thousands of missiles that can strike Israel and sustain a attack for months or years of needs be
 
RealNapster said:
@SABRE as a Pakistani, I hope the news of earthquake is true and due to the nuclear testing of Iran and Iran finally announce it is a nuclear state. No objection with that. Infact I want Iran to be a nuclear state as well as KSA.
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Which Earth Quake exactly?
 
China supports Iran:
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Falcon29 said:
US and EU gave Israel way more AD batteries and interceptors than what they're telling us
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Are you surprised? What they tell us that they help Israel is not even 50% of what they actually do, you and I both knows that Israel controls America, its just that before people had no idea what to extend they control America but now its clear that Americans will die to Protect Israel all because of Lobbying and money they put into Demo/Republican, so much so that they will go against their own citizens just to please Israel.
 
Ah, I see tonight’s scheduled fireworks show has begun.

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