Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

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[ShapurII]

Does anyone know what's happening in Iranian Sistano Balochistan? There are reports that Balochi groups plan to capture territory and declare independence. Can Iran's army prevent this?

If the regime falls, no. If the regime survives this, we will massacre them in a way that they'll be talking about it for decades.
Just like how we skinned MEK terrorists who attacked Iran with the help of Saddam at the end of the Iraq-Iran war in "Operational Eternal Light" in 1988 and they're still talking about how it was a "human rights violation" to this day.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Does anyone know what's happening in Iranian Sistano Balochistan? There are reports that Balochi groups plan to capture territory and declare independence. Can Iran's army prevent this?

I would not listen to BS


Also these groups are not well equipped so i imagine IRGC would easily handle em

 

[RescueRanger]

That is dangerous game though

Do you remember what happened in May with Fake news?

 

[Starlord]

Some of these tweets are so full of garbage. So much misinformation uff Allah.

Bhai I think if this war prolonged, we will see Sargoda Air base will be moved near Tehran by some of these tweeters, I think its the Indians who are doing this to bring Pakistan's name up on X, so maybe just maybe some crazy rightwing media or radio station will pick up and the idiots will believe it.

 

[OldTwilight]

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They must be refueling inside Iran. This is close to Afghanistan and Turkmenistan border.

It was hit by drone, the problem is that some guys decided to fill it with jet fuel while it wasn't operational ...

you can find traitors in you rank by their apparent obvious mistakes in time of war ..

 

[Fasbre2]

Does anyone know what's happening in Iranian Sistano Balochistan? There are reports that Balochi groups plan to capture territory and declare independence. Can Iran's army prevent this?

Pak needs to stop this as these groups will be used by IL/India against Pak.. in future…

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Israel is already planning the Pakistan stage of its World Tour

Pakistan does not have 750 missiles of any category i suspect, let alone be rich enough to give away. Of course, facts dont matter in a fake news setup.

 

[The SC]

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[PakFactor]

Hezbollah abandoned Iran at the most vital time .

The Lebanese government warned the group not to take any action that would damage the country. The last engagement, however, did do a lot of damage to Hezbollah's stock.

 

[FUB]

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[Nuffle]

Scientific analysis of what we witnessed at dawn today, where Israel was hit by a hypersonic missile , marking Iran's first use of such a weapon. However, it is not the globally recognized hypersonic type like China's DF-ZF, but rather a quasi-hypersonic missile scientifically termed Quasi-HGV. It operates at speeds between 5 to 6 Mach during the terminal dive phase but without actual maneuvering, unlike true hypersonic missiles such as China's DF-ZF or Russia's Zircon.

But what is Israel's capability in intercepting quasi-hypersonic missiles like Fattah 1 and 2?

What defensive systems does Israel have to intercept quasi-hypersonic missiles?

It has two systems capable of countering them, as follows:

David’s Sling: An air defense system developed and integrated into their defense network alongside the Patriot PAC-3 MSE system. It is distinguished by three features: high interception speed reaching up to 7 Mach, triple guidance with three seekers (active radar, infrared (IR), and electro-optical (CCD)), and high maneuverability, allowing it to engage quasi-hypersonic missiles.

THAAD: It also has the capability to intercept quasi-hypersonic missiles due to its high speed, reaching up to 8 Mach, and maneuverability enabled by the Hit-To-Kill system, which allows the projectile to maneuver and collide with the target. It also has the ability to target in the upper atmosphere (Exosphere), but this is contingent on early detection and precise discrimination among targets. However, it is clear they failed to distinguish it entirely.

Arrow 2/3:It is ineffective against quasi-hypersonic ballistic systems because it was designed to target conventional ballistic missiles with fixed, non-maneuvering trajectories.

Most likely, the Iranians used the Fattah 2 missile, which, according to available data, ascends to the stratosphere, making it undetectable by radar from the moment of launch, unlike the TPY-2 radar associated with the THAAD system, which can track but still suffers from the missile's maneuverability, rendering it ineffective against quasi-hypersonic missiles.

Summary: Israel possesses systems like David’s Sling and THAAD capable of countering quasi-hypersonic missiles like Fattah-2, thanks to their high speed and maneuverability. However, successful interception depends on early detection and precise discrimination, especially since such missiles fly at low, maneuvering trajectories. As for the Arrow 2/3 system, it is not the optimal choice, as it is designed for ballistic missiles with fixed, non-maneuvering trajectories. Therefore, Israel was unable to intercept it because they failed to meet the conditions mentioned.

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Let's get to the real problem with this retaliation strategy centered on ballistic missiles.

My suspicion about the effectiveness of the Iranian solution against Israel is that, at best, they would have 3,000 ballistic missiles capable of reaching Israel.

These missiles weigh more than 20 tons and are discarded after each use.

If each one carries 750 kg of warhead and half of them are intercepted, that would be 1,500 warheads that would reach Israel and leave Iran without any more missiles.

Let's agree that Israel can absorb an attack with 1,500 warheads, especially if they are spread out over time.

Just remember that more than 300 missiles have already been used since the first attack, plus these.

Only a small portion of these MRBMs are equipped with MaRVs. The others are equipped with ballistic missiles with less precision and therefore reduced military effectiveness since they would not be able to hit specific targets.

Meanwhile, Israel has about 400 fighters, each capable of carrying more than 2 tons on each mission and capable of operating more than 300 times, totaling more than 600 tons per fighter. Multiply the number of fighters and you have a theoretical total of 240,000 tons of usable warhead during the fighters' useful life. A single Israeli air base has more firepower than all of Iran's MRBMs combined. Remember that the US has about 3 million series 80 bombs and about half a million JDAM and Paveway kits. Israel will not lack guided bombs.

Of course, not everything is advantageous. Fighters are lost on missions and there is the problem of distance, which is at the limit of the range of the aircraft currently used by Israel, which forces them to use complex in-flight refueling and long-range missiles, which reduces the payload. But even so, the damage caused by Israel is immensely more significant than the possible damage caused by the Iranian missile force.

Long-range missiles (of any type) are good within a very specific strategic context or if they are part of a nuclear deterrent. Using them as conventional bombing means is foolish.

The reason why the Iranians do not have an effective offensive aviation, in my opinion, is due to a mistaken perception, which generates an even more mistaken doctrine, not very different from the perception of the Russians, who have a large and effective aviation but do not use it. I think it is typical of regimes to bet their military capacity on long missiles.

In any case, I am still waiting for the simultaneous attack of thousands of missiles against Israel.

The only way to use the advantage of the BMs to nullify the IAF's capability is to target the Israeli offensive capability, which is based on its fighter aircraft. The problem is that to do this, it would need to implement deep ISTAR activity in Israeli territory in real time, and Iran does not have that capability.

What Iran will do is spend missiles on targets that have no potential to reduce Israeli offensive capability, and eventually the Iranian missiles will run out or be destroyed by the Israeli fighter aircraft that have air supremacy over Iranian territory and are hunting their TELs. The Israelis, once they dominate the Iranian skies, can seek out every TEL using their fighters and UAVs that are flying over Iranian territory 24/7. Not to mention the spies and commandos that have infiltrated them.

And that doesn't even touch on the issue of the Israeli BMD.

The Iron Dome is undoubtedly being used against drones, cruise missiles, and possible rockets launched from nearby areas.

Against ballistic threats, it acts against missiles launched at ranges of up to 70 km.

David's Sling for threats launched at ranges of up to 300 km and the Arrow system (II and III) and THAAD for threats launched beyond 300 km.

The Patriot seems to be no longer in operation by the Israelis.

Today, the only system used by Israel capable of stopping medium-range ballistic missiles is the Arrow (II and III).

There is a THAAD battery in Israel, but it is operated by the US.

Aegis destroyers operating in the Mediterranean can help mainly with the SM-3 and in some cases with the SM-6.

Assuming that the Patriot continues to operate in Israel, they only have the PAC-2 and the MPQ-53 radar, which are only effective against tactical ballistic missiles (up to about 300/400 km range), hypersonic missiles and cruise missiles.

Likewise, David's Sling with the Stunner missile.

The Iron Dome with the Tamir missile, in the context of a direct attack by Iran, is used against cruise missiles and drones.
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Basically, Israel's defenses against threats launched directly from Iran are:
MRBM: Arrow II, Arrow III, THAAD
Hypersonic missiles: Arrow II, THAAD, PAC-2, Stunner
Cruise missiles: PAC-2, Stunner, Tamir (Iron Dome), Stinger, fighters.
Long-range drones (like the Shahed): Tamir, Stinger, fighters, AH-64

Israel does not use the Spyder. I think they still use the Macbeth system, which has a Vulcan cannon and a Stinger missile launcher.

In addition, they have several dedicated anti-drone systems (C-UAV), including laser systems and, if I'm not mistaken, the American MADIS system based on the M-230 cannon, Stinger missiles, APKWS guided rockets and the Coyote 2 drone.

Israeli defense against Iranian MRBMs is layered. It begins with a preemptive decapitation attack and the destruction of as many TELs as possible before the missiles are launched. Then there is an attempt to intercept in space (THAAD and Arrow 3). After that, there is an attempt to intercept in the atmosphere (THAAD and Arrow 2). At the same time, there is an early warning with sirens and warnings on TV, cell phones and loudspeakers, instructing everyone to seek pre-defined shelters. After the impact of the warheads, civil defense comes into action.

All of this makes the issue of Iranian BMs questionable to say the least.

 

[RescueRanger]

Bhai I think if this war prolonged, we will see Sargoda Air base will be moved near Tehran by some of these tweeters, I think its the Indians who are doing this to bring Pakistan's name up on X, so maybe just maybe some crazy rightwing media or radio station will pick up and the idiots will believe it.

There is so much BS on social media - according to some eastern people Pakistani submarine is parked outside Tel Aviv.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Relax i feel we will see more barrages

i am not questioning the "barrages", just the lack of intellect of the Iranian military in target selection and how to wage a war. They always seem to be behind, they don't know how to take the initiative. Their strategy seems to be to copy Israel's homework, but one day later ...

 

[Psyko70]

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Do you remember what happened in May with Fake news?

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