Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hayabusa]

One thing to keep in mind is that the current Iranian govt is purely ideological, not a standard type of Government which can be replaced easily, through mock elections like done in other places. They can make any US involvement tough by turning the whole region chaotic (Hormuz, Proxies, Hizbollah, Houthis, Missiles, etc, etc). And still come out unscathed and maybe stronger.

Ariel Sharon did say (and repeated by Yair a few months back) that any dreams of changing the govt in Iran is a waste of time, militarily, it will just unite Iranians. As per him, the only way is to change the minds of Irani people through consistent propaganda. But any such propaganda has been pretty much countered by what has been happening in Gaza and now by Israeli attack. Sharon was also against this attack, saying Israel will give a new life to Iranian Govt if they do so, the more Israel gains, the more Iranians will rally around Khamenei.

So, fall of Iranian govt its not that simple either, just via the US.

I am not sure about this but considering how many people are willing to work with Mossad against the current Iranian government, it is a cause of concern.

 

[Musings]

Agreed, what has India even done here ? They did not even vote against Israel in the UN. nobody is giving any credence to Modi since last month anyway. Not sure why OP is thinks India has done anything at all, here.

Because hes indian. The belief they are worthy of a superpower title.
India COULD have been and done so much but have attempted to bend over backwards and statements like we stand with Israel etc. where ever there is conflict and Muslims are attacked - india always sides with the other side.
Standard operating procedure for indians

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Oh no not the Mellennium mall, Johar ke Londay date pe kahan jayen gay ab? only Karachi wala understand who were in college in 2010-2014 will understand the importance of this mall, many many times I bunk my classes and went there, and after that took the Bus (roof) and went to Clifton hahah ah the good old days in Karachi I miss it.

Alhumdullillah, I wasn't like that

 

[ashley.1965]

It's not black and white. The present Iranian regime isn't pro-Pakistan either, they already harbour Indian proxies and launch missiles at Pakistan. I'm not going to make another long post detailing IRI's history of sucking up to India again.

Fortunately, neither Pakistan's foreign policy and neither the overall public sentiment in Pakistan is dictated by an emotional desire to hold grudges against Iran instead of recognizing and trying to counter the existential danger that the potential fall of the IRI would entail.

 

[mulj]

I’ve avoiding posting in this thread because I know this topic is deeply emotional and complex.

That said, I want to express how unfortunate it is that we live in a world where some countries—like Israel—are allowed to possess nuclear weapons with the backing of powerful allies, while others are condemned for seeking similar capabilities.

I believe Iran, like any sovereign nation, has the right to defend its borders. However, I also believe that its focus should shift inward—toward its people, economy, and long-term stability—rather than engaging in activities across the region or supporting non-state actors.

North Korea is another extreme example. While their internal governance may be harsh, they avoid involvement in external conflicts, which has arguably helped them survive geopolitically.

I feel deeply for the people on all sides who are suffering. But it’s especially painful to see how much Iranians are bearing. They don’t deserve this.

My only hope is that going forward, Iran can move toward a path of development, peace, and freedom from sanctions. A stable, thriving Iran would benefit not just its own people, but the entire region. Iran is a culturally and resource-rich nation with enormous untapped potential—we just haven’t been able to see that potential fully realized.

Iran can't win the war but we can hope for the best in the future.

The biggest culprit in the world today is the USA. It’s disheartening to see global politics used as a game of strategy while ordinary citizens in many countries pay the price. The USA cannot be trusted because their leaders only care about their dirty goals, not the human lives.

Sadly no one believe you anymore, you directly attacked Iran providing HUMINT and what not via your citizens, if Iran survives this attacks and emerge largely intact and independent as nation they will show you their appreciation.

 

[Shakehands]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Maybe stealing each other wallets? That’s what they do

 

[Watandar]

The reports that I've heard state that he misbehaved with Iranis in his typical uncouth bluster that he has revealed on a few occasions through his ill-conceived speeches and diatribes, e.g. "Faarwarded as Reeceiveeedd"...

LOL I mean the guy isnt from Kakul, he is OTS. Meaning he went from noncomissioned to commissioned officer to army chief. That is a very rare path to highest officer position in not only PA but most armies around the world. The guy has little formal education outside of the army and didnt learn perfect English or table manners that Kakul gentlemen learn (alongwith oathbreaking).

 

[flyingorca]

Nothing stopping them from shipping advanced radar/EW equipment or AD systems to be operated by Iranians.

Its best for Pakistan to stay out of this conflict as far as possible.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

No Never. Not our Sipah Salar

if he can kill our own people and dishonor our own women because US ordered him to keep IK in the prison, then who is Iran?

 

[vasanthm]

To put India in the same sentence as Russia and China - thats where i ended reading your post. Stop being so delusional and sit down.
No ones asking india to do anything

Many posts talk of India "backstabbing" Iran. That kind of support was never on the table or expected. It's not betrayal if no one's ever made a real promise.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Because hes indian. The belief they are worthy of a superpower title.
India COULD have been and done so much but have attempted to bend over backwards and statements like we stand with Israel etc. where ever there is conflict and Muslims are attacked - india always sides with the other side.
Standard operating procedure for indians

I don't know about the superpower status but they have become a super laughing stock to the whole world

 

[the saint]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[moonaman.varavayi]

Because hes indian. The belief they are worthy of a superpower title.
India COULD have been and done so much but have attempted to bend over backwards and statements like we stand with Israel etc. where ever there is conflict and Muslims are attacked - india always sides with the other side.
Standard operating procedure for indians

Every third post of yours is bashing India or deriding Indians. (Check your post history if you don't believe me.) You seem to hate to see any Indian participation here, so why not simply state that Indians are not welcome on this forum? I'm only pointing this out because unlike other members, you are an admin, so your stance reflects forum policy.

You can see from the presence of only a handful of Indian members here that this isn't the forum of 2010-15, when all viewpoints were discussed and members weren't ridiculed for being from a certain country or race or religion.

Just make your stance overt, so that the few Indian members here (finally) understand and quit.

 

[vasanthm]

Because hes indian. The belief they are worthy of a superpower title.
India COULD have been and done so much but have attempted to bend over backwards and statements like we stand with Israel etc. where ever there is conflict and Muslims are attacked - india always sides with the other side.
Standard operating procedure for indians

Not sure why anyone expects India to support the countries constantly mentioned here, what exactly is in it for us? We're not part of some imagined ummah fraternity. Foreign policy isn’t built on emotional brotherhood.

We value good relations with Iran and they see us as an important oil buyer. But let’s be honest, strategically, a stable, Western backed Iran on Pakistan’s western border isn’t exactly bad news for us either.

 

[Psyko70]

I’ve avoiding posting in this thread because I know this topic is deeply emotional and complex.

That said, I want to express how unfortunate it is that we live in a world where some countries—like Israel—are allowed to possess nuclear weapons with the backing of powerful allies, while others are condemned for seeking similar capabilities.

I believe Iran, like any sovereign nation, has the right to defend its borders. However, I also believe that its focus should shift inward—toward its people, economy, and long-term stability—rather than engaging in activities across the region or supporting non-state actors.

North Korea is another extreme example. While their internal governance may be harsh, they avoid involvement in external conflicts, which has arguably helped them survive geopolitically.

I feel deeply for the people on all sides who are suffering. But it’s especially painful to see how much Iranians are bearing. They don’t deserve this.

My only hope is that going forward, Iran can move toward a path of development, peace, and freedom from sanctions. A stable, thriving Iran would benefit not just its own people, but the entire region. Iran is a culturally and resource-rich nation with enormous untapped potential—we just haven’t been able to see that potential fully realized.

Iran can't win the war but we can hope for the best in the future.

The biggest culprit in the world today is the USA. It’s disheartening to see global politics used as a game of strategy while ordinary citizens in many countries pay the price. The USA cannot be trusted because their leaders only care about their dirty goals, not the human lives.

If Iran had right then why India is involved in intelligence operation in Iran.

Biggest culprit maybe USA but your country is 3rd, 2nd is Israel. Iran gave your country Visa free travel but instead of working there as good friend. your country literally gave Intelligence. Plus, Indians in twitter are celebrating it and supporting Israel.

I have no trust and most Muslim fellows dont trust Indians here in Forum at least Pakistanis.