Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[guangdongt]

Even Iran gives up its nuclear program, they will still go after Iran.

It is not about Iran is allowed to possess nuke or not, but to show some warranty to your business partner.

You need to understand the main subject.

You need to understand one thing, Iran is racing against time. It's normal for them to be suppressed before they have nuclear weapons. You wouldn't think that China fully supported North Korea's test of nuclear weapons, would you? North Korea was extremely difficult in the 1990s and was surrounded by the United States, South Korea, and Japan! At that time, China and Russia were completely powerless to provide any assistance. Similarly, Pakistan's nuclear weapons are no exception. All of these countries have seized the opportunity to squeeze into the nuclear weapons club! Finally, a tacit understanding was established among nuclear weapon states! Iran's possession of nuclear weapons is a ruler. If you can't get through it, you're not a strong country. A country protected by the strong will never go far. The gap between the South and the West lies in its allies. Your dream of leading the Southern Alliance never existed. The South doesn't have an alliance because it hasn't developed as a whole. The wealthy East Asian countries are mostly deep-seated centrists! Latin American countries also have no intention of balancing these matters.Do you protect your military nuclear weapons for the sake of your business partners? You want to be the enemy of the whole world, that's yourself. We don't have such unrealistic ideas

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Iran has not gone all in with China and has hedged their bets with other players like europe, Russia and India. Therefore while China and Iran are partners, they aren’t particularly close and there isn’t a high degree of mutual trust. With that said, China has seemed to have been supplying Iran covertly.

Anyways honestly what I can garner with what’s happened tonight is that this was done as a pre planned event between the US and Iran. Iran may retaliate and hit a couple abandoned US bases to save face, and that would also be agreed upon between Iran and the US.

What is clear is that Trump and Iran both do not want things to escalate and this is a solution to let all parties stand down. The big question is if Netanyahu and the Neocons will be satisfied by this obvious performative act? I guess we will see.

Because the Iranian leaders believe that China needs to treat them as an equal partner/comrade, not just a proxy pawn.

If they do believe if they have to launch a full scale against the west, China also needs to roll up its sleeves and step onto the ring and ready to fight.

If China wants to act like a big boss who sits behind and having them to fight and to bleed, they won't take that.

Persians are just people with pride, and want to act like a proxy pawn.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

To take back Taiwan as I have mentioned in the other post.

Since the TSMC can't move some of their production to the US, and the US semiconductor ecosystem will be in huge trouble if Taiwan falls into the hands of China.

China will maintain its technological ecosystem and keep growing stronger, while the US gonna lose everything, and the US decisionmakers haven't realized this fact.

Iran needs to be relieved with Taiwan.

I have stated previously TSMC is replicating its Taiwan-based manufacturing in the US.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Not really. China has no defence treaty with Iran.
Also Iran and China relationship had cooled recently for some reason, so no one expected China to jump in.



Russia claims to be a superpower. It should be able to help an ally who helped it in Ukraine. It sends a very bad message when you can't repay favors.



There are no restrictions against selling oil to China. Any country on the planet will sell oil/gas to China.

Not sure if you have followed but : China avoids military entanglement. Despite talk of defense ties, and it was well known that China won’t risk a war with the U.S. or Israel for Iran. In past UN votes and crises, China has played both sides, trying not to alienate Gulf nations or Israel.

Iranian hardliners have criticized China for being opportunistic and not standing up when it counts

It was not iran who betrayed china, but it was china.

And once Russia engaged in Ukraine war - israel - USA see this golden opportunity to attack on iran.

This is just a unfortunate story of iran - having so called superpowers as stragic partners in her side but at end, ending with destruction in country and suffering alone.

 

[MH.Yang]

Even Iran gives up its nuclear program, they will still go after Iran.

It is not about Iran is allowed to possess nuke or not, but to show some warranty to your business partner.

You need to understand the main subject.

He's right.

Even if China supports Iran, it can only be because Israel and the US have violated Iran's sovereignty.

Trump has demanded that Iran suspend its nuclear program, and on this one issue he is correct. We have made it clear that we are against any nuclear proliferation.

Supporting Iran's nuclear program would put us on the wrong side of the world, and countries like Saudi Arabia in particular certainly wouldn't want to see Iran have nuclear weapons. The Iranian government should not be overthrown, but the nuclear program should indeed be suspended.

Step back one. In Taking a step back even further, with the number of spies in the Iranian government, are we really sure that these nuclear weapons won't end up being dropped on our heads?

 

[Farhan23]

Where's the immediate Iranian reaction? Don't states usually have a secret protocol that comes into force?

I think iran had a deal few days ago which explains them pulling their punches

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It is to guarantee that the US chip supply will not be cut off during China's unification.

But they still need to rely on those Taiwanese engineers even in the US factory, since those rednecks in Arizona can't do a damn thing and still demand very high wage.

BTW, China needs to take back Taiwan if the war has escalated with Iran.

Reluctantly China will have to do that act, but I anticipate perhaps the Taiwanese people will just join china in referendum

 

[MLK!]

That's why we are building at an unprecedented speed to make sure they cool their heads.

you're doing incredible work at that department, but you need more strategic depth. A few more military allies in strategic places. You have Pakistan, and North Korea, I would try to work more on Indonesia, Bangladesh, Iran(before they fall) in Asia and Sudan, South Africa, Algeria and maybe the Burkina faso, Guniea and Mali. All these countries I mentioned are anti west but not aligned to any side.

 

[iblini]

My people just gave Trump 4 trillion USD for protection money, basically.

Which is more like a bunch of MOU again for the sake of Trump's winning strategy for MAGA, most would not mature like Trump's first term, he claimed to have received some 100 billion contract, but how much became real?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

So 12 GBU-57's all hitting same point on the mountain. somebody wanna do the math on how many meters that is? My brain doesn't wanna do any math right now it just wants ice cream.

Deep enough.

Timing of the drops would have been such that each successive impact was seconds behind the first.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You need to understand one thing, Iran is racing against time. It's normal for them to be suppressed before they have nuclear weapons. You wouldn't think that China fully supported North Korea's test of nuclear weapons, would you? North Korea was extremely difficult in the 1990s and was surrounded by the United States, South Korea, and Japan! At that time, China and Russia were completely powerless to provide any assistance. Similarly, Pakistan's nuclear weapons are no exception. All of these countries have seized the opportunity to squeeze into the nuclear weapons club! Finally, a tacit understanding was established among nuclear weapon states! Iran's possession of nuclear weapons is a ruler. If you can't get through it, you're not a strong country. A country protected by the strong will never go far. The gap between the South and the West lies in its allies. Your dream of leading the Southern Alliance never existed. The South doesn't have an alliance because it hasn't developed as a whole. The wealthy East Asian countries are mostly deep-seated centrists! Latin American countries also have no intention of balancing these matters.

NK's nuclear program was installed by Russia, not by China.

Now they are loyal to Russia, not to China.

However, if it is not China who is the neighbor of NK, the US will not be afraid of NK's nukes at all, they pre-emptively strike on their nuke sites and destroy it once for all.

The old world order set by the US has already been taken down by the US itself, and soon most small-medium will all try to possess nukes, not just Iran.

 

[Falcon29]

So, what option is Iran given for US/Israeli attacks to stop?

Anything official , besides speculation?

 

[RescueRanger]

If the war drags on long enough US will move more assets from Pacific to Middle East
so it is both a loss and a win

US already has a very large footprint in the ME.

 

[muz]

Helping like giving up your airbases to US for bombing Iran just like you did for Afghanistan ?.

Biden did not even call your Prime Minister and here your Army Chief and ISI Chief are partying at White house ?.

Everybody can see who are the friends and who are the habitual sell outs to US.

If memory serves me right Iran did sign a strategic partnership with India right as the fighting was going on in May
which was basically urinating in Pakistan face
we dont owe Iran jackshit especially this Mullah regime
If it was the Shah then situation have been different he stood with our country to the end in the 1971 war when pretty much everyone abondend us, Us Pakistani will forever be grateful to the Iran and Shah of that time

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Blast doesnt go downward it goes upwards....Depends on how deep they penetratred....The more you penetrate deep the lesser the blast radius and effect due to geo pressure , And what was it built under , Granite or loose soil, Unless they have hit the core , I dont think they will be able to destroy that......It will also depend on if there was any Enriched Uranium..... lots of ifs and buts ..... Lets wait for the details

You don't know how the GBU-57 was designed. Nor do I.