Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[The Stoic]

Not sure if you have followed but : China avoids military entanglement. Despite talk of defense ties, and it was well known that China won’t risk a war with the U.S. or Israel for Iran. In past UN votes and crises, China has played both sides, trying not to alienate Gulf nations or Israel.

Iranian hardliners have criticized China for being opportunistic and not standing up when it counts

It was not iran who betrayed china, but it was china.

And once Russia engaged in Ukraine war - israel - USA see this golden opportunity to attack on iran.

This is just a unfortunate story of iran - having so called superpowers as stragic partners in her side at end, ending with destruction in country by alone.

China and India both are non aligned.They would never go to war for any other country.China did not even condemn indian attack on pakistan and People were thinking china will go to war for its allies.West is United force nobody can challenge their world domination until Asia is United.

 

[ety]

Because the Iranian leaders believe that China needs to treat them as an equal partner/comrade, not just a proxy pawn.

If they do believe if they have to launch a full scale against the west, China also needs to roll up its sleeves and step onto the ring and ready to fight.

If China wants to act like a big boss who sits behind and having them to fight and to bleed, they won't take that.

Persians are just people with pride, and want to act like a proxy pawn.

China is unlikely to get into wars in the Mideast, don't get carried away.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I have stated previously TSMC is replicating its Taiwan-based manufacturing in the US.

You still need to steal those Taiwanese engineers, because your Arizona rednecks cannot handle those jobs.

 

[guangdongt]

Not sure if you have followed but : China avoids military entanglement. Despite talk of defense ties, and it was well known that China won’t risk a war with the U.S. or Israel for Iran. In past UN votes and crises, China has played both sides, trying not to alienate Gulf nations or Israel.

Iranian hardliners have criticized China for being opportunistic and not standing up when it counts

It was not iran who betrayed china, but it was china.

And once Russia engaged in Ukraine war - israel - USA see this golden opportunity to attack on iran.

This is just a unfortunate story of iran - having so called superpowers as stragic partners in her side but at end, ending with destruction in country and suffering alone.

We are not a garbage country like you. You use sweet words to gain Iran's trust, but stab Iran in the back. You have no bottom line in your actions, and whoever is strong becomes their watchdog. Act as a hitter. China has its own bottom line, and it will never do things that it is unable to do，Look at your espionage behavior towards Iran, besides being despicable and shameless, you still have the face to speak up here

 

[arjunk]

Guys, the bottom line is, that for Decades, the US and the West have excelled at Science, Tech, Finance and Military. While they build 27 Kms long Large Hadron Collider beneath Switzerland to achieve Quantum tech, we Muslims have spent that time in arguing which sect is right/wrong or who can build the tallest skyscrapers

I am an astrophysicist and I know for a fact that in Europe alone, there are 12,000 open public observatories where people can go and study space, free of charge, let alone the high tech ones that are all across the globe. Meanwhile there is not a single observatory in any Muslim country. Not a single one in even the richest of gulf states. When I take images of space, its littered with thousands of satellites trails, to he point that we now have to use special software to clean off the satellite trails from images of deep space, meanwhile all Muslim countries combined, at 30% of world population, have a total of 60 satellites (that they sent through help of others) out of a total of 12,900 satellites. Its the same in almost every advanced field. That is the state of our affairs.

We collect the tech they have thrown away since 2 Decades and hope to fight them off with wild scenarios. Today a single B2 can come undetected, in all weather conditions and throw 6 Bunker Bursters within 5 feet accuracy, from 50,000 Feet in the air and then tell us not to respond or more will come. They have already long beaten us by throwing us into greed and internal conflict for decades. Now they are just asserting that rule and we are slowly being slapped into the reality.

Imagining what Iran can do is good to Cope, but that's abut it. We need a long term, forward looking change in our societies, from here onwards, to move ahead. That's about it.

The first issue is that only Pakistanis believe in a Muslim Ummah.

For example, the Afghans, Arabs, Kemalists and Persians all think they are some superior race, all but the latter desperately try to associate with the western cool kids club. They think that by changing the script of their language, stripping their women, and being traitors to their own beliefs, they will gain the validation of the west.

You first have to fix the ethnonationalist jaahil mindset of non-Pakistani Muslims, and prevent PTM, BLA and leftist unis from spreading these beliefs within Pakistan's borders as well.

 

[tower9]

Because the Iranian leaders believe that China needs to treat them as an equal partner/comrade, not just a proxy pawn.

If they do believe if they have to launch a full scale against the west, China also needs to roll up its sleeves and step onto the ring and ready to fight.

If China wants to act like a big boss who sits behind and having them to fight and to bleed, they won't take that.

Persians are just people with pride, and want to act like a proxy pawn.

Fair enough. At the same time, China isn’t going to sign a formal alliance with a country that has so many enemies. It’s like going into business with somebody, if your business partner is picking fights with everyone in the neighborhood, are you going to tie yourself to that guy with a contract?

Reality is that China doesn’t have a problem with supplying Iran militarily, especially as China itself has gotten sanctioned heavily in the last few years. But at the same time, Iran needs to straighten out its leadership and governing philosophy. The idiotic mullahs need to step back and let more rational and pragmatic people lead the country. Maybe establish a formal detente with Israel, continue to cement peace with the gulf states, roll back imperial ambitions and tighten up military cooperation with Pakistan and China. Internally, get rid of those ridiculous religious laws that young Iranians hate and are nothing but an annoyance. Focus on economic development and military modernization. That would be what I’d do as Iran.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Pretending there was no damage means they are choosing not to retaliate and are preparing to surrender.
If things proceed like this, Iran's Ayatollahs will completely lose their prestige and, like Assad, will abandon their country and flee in disgrace.

 

[RescueRanger]

So, what option is Iran given for US/Israeli attacks to stop?

Anything official , besides speculation?

Iranian official state TV

Yes that's a map of US bases.

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[AZ_HighCountry]

You still need to steal those Taiwanese engineers, because your Arizona rednecks cannot handle those jobs.

Yeah, sure.

I was once in the semiconductor industry. I know some of the engineers out there.

They can manage just fine.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

NK's nuclear program was installed by Russia, not by China.

Now they are loyal to Russia, not to China.

However, if it is not China who is the neighbor of NK, the US will not be afraid of NK's nukes at all, they pre-emptively strike on their nuke sites and destroy it once for all.

The old world order set by the US has already been taken down by the US itself, and soon most small-medium will all try to possess nukes, not just Iran.

May be like Russia helped North Korea with Nuke it is time China do their own act of kindness and help Iran get Nuke as well

It seems more logical

 

[Gorgin Khan]

You don't know how the GBU-57 was designed. Nor do I.

Physics .... Its not only the design .....

 

[Falcon29]

A couple of the drones fired earlier are entering Occupied Palestine

 

[Exped-33]

I hope Iran doesn't escalate this conflict further. They fought bravely and tremendously, and alone against an adversary that has full backing of a huge superpower. Iran went above and beyond anyone's expectations.
But I really hope they stand down and improve themselves for future conflicts rather become a martyr in this one. Salute to Iranian people.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Physics .... Its not only the design .....

LOL.....thanks Lt. Obvious.

I'm a trained engineer. I might have had a class or three in physics.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Fair enough. At the same time, China isn’t going to sign a formal alliance with a country that has so many enemies. It’s like going into business with somebody, if your business partner is picking fights with everyone in the neighborhood, are you going to tie yourself to that guy with a contract?

Reality is that China doesn’t have a problem with supplying Iran militarily, especially as China itself has gotten sanctioned heavily in the last few years. But at the same time, Iran needs to straighten out its leadership and governing philosophy. The idiotic mullahs need to step back and let more rational and pragmatic people lead the country. Maybe establish a formal detente with Israel, continue to cement peace with the gulf states, roll back imperial ambitions and tighten up military cooperation with Pakistan and China. Internally, get rid of those ridiculous religious laws that young Iranians hate and are nothing but an annoyance. Focus on economic development and military modernization. That would be what I’d do as Iran.

We Chinese love to analyze everything from other people's perspective.

And we do understand why those Russians and Iranians are still clinging to maintain a formal relationship with the west even it does endanger their national security.