Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

Iranians and their big mouths again ... if you are going to do it, just do it and keep your mouths shut until "after" you have done it.

 

[RescueRanger]

not impressive, given the context of things!
if anything, this now makes it obligatory to never stop this kind of bombardment!

Well they have tried their best. You fail to take into account that they lost a large number of very seasoned commanders, planners, and potentially access to missiles silos.

The game would have been different if on an even footing but alas that's not war is about.

Personally the beating Iran gave Israel shook analysts and commentators in the west. They never expected Iran to make the Israelis hurt this badly.

Do you know one of the demands are that Iran if it wants peace 'must downgrade and roll back its ballistic missiles program'.

Ask yourself why that is. Those big shooty boom boom sticks gave a lot of people constipation.

 

[Haz]

a huge strike

How could 125 aircrafts have been used? That makes no sense. All tomahawk missiles are likely launched from subs, 14 bunker buster bombs are from 7 bombers, and maybe 20-30 escort stealth jets to protect them? I don't get where the extra 90 planes come into play, that doesn't add up.

 

[Fatman17]

But what do they have to strike Israel

 

[mangekyo]

It’s like trying to win back your ex. She’s married now, sleeping with other guys, but every once in a while, she sends you a message or likes your post, just enough to keep your hopes up. You think maybe there’s a chance. But then, the next day, she’s in someone else’s bed. That’s the U.S. with Iran. They send mixed signals, talk about negotiations, even unfreeze a bit of money, but at the end of the day, they’re committed to Israel. They will never pick Iran over Israel. Believing otherwise is pure delusion.

And to make it even more pathetic, Iran’s out begging her so called sisters, the UN, the EU hoping they’ll talk to her for him. Like, “Please, can you please, please tell her I’ve changed?” They smile, nod, act like they’ll help. But she doesn’t care. She’s not listening. She’s too busy with her new man. And Iran’s still waiting around, thinking maybe she’ll come back. It’s beyond sad. It’s embarrassing at this point. Time to grow a spine and move on.

 

[Fatman17]

How could 125 aircrafts have been used? That makes no sense. All tomahawk missiles are likely launched from subs, 14 bunker buster bombs are from 7 bombers, and maybe 20-30 escort stealth jets to protect them? I don't get where the extra 90 planes come into play, that doesn't add up.

They wanted to beat the India-Pakistan record of 120 aircraft.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Well they have tried their best. You fail to take into account that they lost a large number of very seasoned commanders, planners, and potentially access to missiles silos.

The game would have been different if on an even footing but alas that's not war is about.

Personally the beating Iran gave Israel shook analysts and commentators in the west. They never expected Iran to make the Israelis hurt this badly.

Do you know one of the demands are that Iran if it wants peace 'must downgrade and roll back its ballistic missiles program'.

Ask yourself why that is. Those big shooty boom boom sticks gave a lot of people constipation.

it could become excellent bargaining chip!
khe khe khe khe.......

 

[Fatman17]

And to make it even more pathetic, Iran’s out begging her so called sisters, the UN, the EU hoping they’ll talk to her for him. Like, “Please, can you please, please tell her I’ve changed?” They smile, nod, act like they’ll help. But she doesn’t care. She’s not listening. She’s too busy with her new man. And Iran’s still waiting around, thinking maybe she’ll come back. It’s beyond sad. It’s embarrassing at this point. Time to grow a spine and move on.

We get the gist

 

[lightning f57]

Moreover, Pakistan’s nukes serve as deterrence against Indian nukes. They do not pose a threat to Israel, directly or indirectly.

If that were the case why were the Israelis preparing for an attack on Pak nuke facilities. Israel will go after all Muslim States that can threaten its survival.

 

[RescueRanger]

How could 125 aircrafts have been used? That makes no sense. All tomahawk missiles are likely launched from subs, 14 bunker buster bombs are from 7 bombers, and maybe 20-30 escort stealth jets to protect them? I don't get where the extra 90 planes come into play, that doesn't add up.

Refullers for the bombers and their escorts
Additional aircraft + refullers
ISR aircraft

It all adds up.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

China can churn out advanced fighter jets like hamburgers.

It can supply Iran -- if China feels confident the tech won't be compromised to Indian spies.

It's not just the jets, it's the entire infrastructure and the training that goes with it.

 

[lightoftruth]

Can we stop talking about Indian toilets and their body odor?

You want half of the posts deleted ?

On topic : if Iran had transferred the material before the hit , that means further attacks will happen.

They won’t let Iran get away with a chance of a bomb.

 

[Hayabusa]

Agreed


It's not just it being not as accurate as we expect.

The whole place seems designed to handle the blast even if the missiles are accurate. This is what I found on chatGPT.

Based on publicly available information and technical assessments, it is highly unlikely that the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP) has been fully destroyed by an airstrike using conventional weapons. Fordow is one of the most fortified nuclear facilities in the world. It is located near the city of Qom, Iran, and buried beneath approximately 80 to 100 meters of solid rock. The geological makeup of the mountain is believed to consist of granite and limestone, both of which provide substantial protection. Granite, in particular, is a dense and hard igneous rock that not only resists penetration but also absorbs the shock from explosions, making successive strikes less effective.

The United States' most powerful non-nuclear bunker-busting weapon, the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), is designed specifically to penetrate deep underground targets. While it is capable of penetrating up to 60 meters of reinforced concrete or over 100 meters of soil, its estimated penetration depth into granite is considerably less — likely in the range of 20 to 40 meters. Even with a series of perfectly targeted MOPs — for example, 12 in a sequence — the physics of shock absorption, crater refilling, and structural reinforcement within the mountain would make it extraordinarily difficult to reach and destroy the core enrichment chambers of Fordow.

There is also no credible evidence — such as satellite imagery, seismic readings, or reliable intelligence — to confirm that Fordow has been cratered, collapsed, or permanently rendered inoperable. In past incidents involving damage or sabotage to Iran’s nuclear sites (such as at Natanz), Iran has either publicly acknowledged the attacks or reacted with retaliatory rhetoric and escalatory military posturing. No such response has occurred in relation to Fordow, further casting doubt on any claims of its destruction.

While it remains possible that specific surface structures — such as access tunnels, ventilation systems, or power infrastructure — may have been targeted or damaged, the likelihood of the entire underground facility being destroyed by conventional airstrikes is extremely low. The only plausible methods for such a complete elimination would involve either the use of a nuclear earth-penetrator (which would be a major and highly escalatory act) or significant internal sabotage — neither of which has been confirmed.

In conclusion, the destruction of Fordow by conventional means, even with multiple MOPs, is considered technically improbable. Claims suggesting otherwise should be approached with skepticism unless backed by solid, independent verification such as satellite data or seismic analysis.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

You want half of the posts deleted ?

On topic : if Iran had transferred the material before the hit , that means further attacks will happen.

They won’t let Iran get away with a chance of a bomb.

India wont help IR in any case

 

[F-22Raptor]

Gen Caines initial battle damage assessment: “All 3 sites sustained extremely severe damage and destruction”