Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Cash gk said:
This is the habit of a bully and coward country
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Yeah, this is the typical shameless US and EU behavior. One day they stab you in the back, then next moment they ask you to help them to clean up the mess they created.
 
F.O.X said:
Iran needs to face the reality of its current situation and acknowledge the strategic losses it has incurred. Yes, they performed well in the initial stages of the conflict showing resilience and the ability to project force regionally , but that momentum has clearly faded. The truth is, their missile arsenal, while formidable, is finite. Continued escalation will only accelerate its depletion, leaving Iran increasingly vulnerable with limited options for both defense and retaliation.

So far, Iran has managed to avoid territorial losses , and that’s precisely why now is the time to accept mediation and recalibrate. This pause could be a window of opportunity: address the economic strain, navigate sanctions with a diplomatic strategy, and focus on rebuilding strength quietly and effectively.

Dragging the conflict on for years, without a clear strategic goal or endgame, risks turning Iran into another prolonged war zone , not unlike Afghanistan. That’s not victory. A smart retreat to rebuild is sometimes the most strategic move a nation can make. Iran would do well to choose consolidation over collapse.
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Its not that simple, accepting ceasefire means Israel gets to take a break, restock ADs and prepare for another attack. US and its Euro slaves will pay Israel for all damages, while Iran licks it wounds, Israel and the US will come back and attack as they will. The goal is regime change or total collapse leading into civil war
 
mangekyo said:
They were afraid of US sanctions, and we didn’t have cash and wanted to barter for oil
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I don't think the Chinese would give a rats behind about sanctions but oil barter is not a bad deal. I suspect something else was going on. IMO, Iran has not been good at diplomacy over the years. Perhaps, this is because of lack of synergy between the policies of the elected officials and those of the revolutionary leadership?

Just to add, I personally know of an Iranian air force officer who inspected the JF-17 Block 2 and said he would talk to officials back home about considering the aircraft.
 
Fatman17 said:
This is too logical for them to comprehend
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If Iran surrenders, the West will demand complete access to all known and suspected nuclear sites. Its entire missile program and everything even remotely military capable will be destroyed and measures put in place to make sure they are not rebuilt for 20 years.

The West will make Iran become like Syria, Iraq or Jordan in terms of technical capability.
 
SolarWarden said:
If they were moved you can bet your whole months pay that US, Israel and spooks inside Iran, which we know Iran was infested with, know they were moved and very likely know many of the locations they were moved into.
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True - but that forces the USA to move from a "one off" operation to a sustained war in Iran, right?
 
An early ceasefire is out of the question. It is a well-known fact in military history that agreeing to an early peace before the side that was caught off guard can regroup is the worst possible choice. The side launching the surprise attack has made meticulous preparations over the course of years. On the other hand, it takes the defending side several months to adapt to the sudden war. That is why the period of one to two months after being caught off guard is a critical time during which a ceasefire must absolutely not be agreed to. If a ceasefire had been agreed to during this period in the Iran-Iraq War, Iran would have had to cede most of its domestic oil fields and ports to Iraq, leading to the collapse of its economy. Those who advocate for an early ceasefire are essentially saying that Iran should be destroyed.
 
Developereo said:
If Iran surrenders, the West will demand complete access to all known and suspected nuclear sites. Its entire missile program and everything even remotely military capable will be destroyed and measures put in place to make sure they are not rebuilt for 20 years.

The West will make Iran become like Syria, Iraq or Jordan in terms of technical capability.
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Maybe but lran has vast reserves of oil and gas which will fund their rebuilding process except for nukes. Another Versailles treaty.
 
BonPlan said:
I hope it is the beginning of the end for Mollah's Iran.

Iran people is marvellous. They deserve another regime.
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Yes, just like the marvelous changes and freedom the west brought to Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and all other places that the last 20 years, through millions of deaths.

This is the new-era colonization in slow motion. Stop glorifying it as anything else. We all know what West has been supporting in Gaza. Nobody will be fooled by your fake and warmongering ideals anymore.
 
Fatman17 said:
Maybe but lran has vast reserves of oil and gas which will fund their rebuilding process except for nukes. Another Versailles treaty.
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Versailles forced Germany to pay for the rebuilding of the victors. That is why Germany started WW2, because the Versailles treaty was a death sentence for Germany.

Iran's oil/gas revenues would be used to rebuild Israel, not Iran.
 
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