Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

respectfully,

please tell all in Iran to shut up and stop boasting. humility is necessary for staying alive.
weed out the traitors, informers, spies and assassins among you. its saddening and maddening at the same time. we Pakistanis suffered sabotage and assassinations by wahabi terrorist offshoots of Taliban and Al qaeda as well and saw our military bases attacked and our strategic assets destroyed and personnel killed but that was years ago and we improved and adapted. Iran needs to do the same don't bust the spy cells after their disposable agents have already done their job.

bloated two tier military structure, vanity projects, lack of secrecy and failure to secure important people, religious overdose and failure to secure close ties with powerful rivals of West.
Iranian nationalism, resolve and resilience is legendary, but Israeli Americans have unlimited weapon supplies and no deterrence.

for sake of Iran and its people, please don't talk and act. the Baloch and Wahabi terrorists under new names are waiting to turn Iran and Pakistan into Syria and Iraq.

I do not understand what do my words on war technicalities like re-establishment of CoC, IRGCAF's deterrence, interception vs hit ratios etc have anything to do with what Iranian leadership should do or not do? I am not making policies, I am just a regular citizen with zero inside scoop.

 

[Fatman17]

Versailles forced Germany to pay for the rebuilding of the victors. That is why Germany started WW2, because the Versailles treaty was a death sentence for Germany.

Iran's oil/gas revenues would be used to rebuild Israel, not Iran.

Same difference no. Paying for rebuilding your enemy

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Iran needs to face the reality of its current situation and acknowledge the strategic losses it has incurred. Yes, they performed well in the initial stages of the conflict showing resilience and the ability to project force regionally , but that momentum has clearly faded. The truth is, their missile arsenal, while formidable, is finite. Continued escalation will only accelerate its depletion, leaving Iran increasingly vulnerable with limited options for both defense and retaliation.

So far, Iran has managed to avoid territorial losses , and that’s precisely why now is the time to accept mediation and recalibrate. This pause could be a window of opportunity: address the economic strain, navigate sanctions with a diplomatic strategy, and focus on rebuilding strength quietly and effectively.

Dragging the conflict on for years, without a clear strategic goal or endgame, risks turning Iran into another prolonged war zone , not unlike Afghanistan. That’s not victory. A smart retreat to rebuild is sometimes the most strategic move a nation can make. Iran would do well to choose consolidation over collapse.

And who is offering that off ramp?
Unconditional surrender is what orange demands. Besides with the track record there is no way that it would not be broken by zion or the US. There are multiple examples of just that in the region and you want capitulation?
Fact is a prolonged war will wreck zion... slowly resembling Gaza ...
They have Intel, Microsoft and data centers that are high value targets. The loss of fab alone will take away a great chunk of high paying jobs nevr to return. In return zion has literally no equivalent target in Iran. So guess who should sue for peace? They should have thought about this imbalance in cost dynamic before launching this war of aggression. Every single thing that Iran loses can be built in house bigger and better than before but tell that to US based silicon valley and reinvest billions knowing their safety cannot be guaranteed means they're not coming back.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

reports suggested Fordow access roads were targeted in air raids..
Fordow invasion coming.....

By whom?? Israeli Commandos?

 

[Garcia Sea]

Did Israel agree to a ceasefire during the period when it was in a state of panic after being attacked deep into its occupied territories on 10/07?
If they had done such a thing, anyone could understand that it would have been an unimaginable failure.
Let me repeat: the first few months after the outbreak of war are a devilish timeframe, a period when the defending side must absolutely not engage in ceasefire negotiations.
In the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War, Azerbaijan concluded ceasefire agreements three times during the conflict to prevent Armenia from launching counterattacks.
While doing so, Azerbaijan itself received supplies from Turkey, reorganized its forces, and launched surprise attacks again—repeating this process three times until Armenia finally surrendered during the fourth ceasefire agreement.
Israel’s goal is precisely to replicate this strategy.
Remember, just a few days ago, Iran was deceived by false peace negotiations and bombed by the U.S. military.

 

[Developereo]

Same difference no. Paying for rebuilding your enemy

As long as US/Israel are running the show, Iran cannot get a good ceasefire deal. It can only negotiate a reasonable settlement if Russia and China step in in a major way into the negotiations.

Will the US let them in?

It looks like Russia and China are content to make worthless statements and watch the war from the side.

 

[mangekyo]

Versailles forced Germany to pay for the rebuilding of the victors. That is why Germany started WW2, because the Versailles treaty was a death sentence for Germany.

Iran's oil/gas revenues would be used to rebuild Israel, not Iran.

Even if the terms of the agreement completely favored us, you need someone to enforce the agreement. The ceasefire deal could say that US will pay for all damages, and accept that Iran never intended to build nuclear weapons. Then what? They will face no consequences and pay us nothing. You simply can’t make any deals with the west if you are not a westerner yourself. Everyone should engrave this into their head.

 

[mangekyo]

And who is offering that off ramp?
Unconditional surrender is what orange demands. Besides with the track record there is no way that it would not be broken by zion or the US. There are multiple examples of just that in the region and you want capitulation?
Fact is a prolonged war will wreck zion... slowly resembling Gaza ...
They have Intel, Microsoft and data centers that are high value targets. The loss of fab alone will take away a great chunk of high paying jobs nevr to return. In return zion has literally no equivalent target in Iran. So guess who should sue for peace? They should have thought about this imbalance in cost dynamic before launching this war of aggression. Every single thing that Iran loses can be built in house bigger and better than before but tell that to US based silicon valley and reinvest billions knowing their safety cannot be guaranteed means they're not coming back.

But so far Iran has deliberately not targeted anything of value, missiles and launchers are running out. Its sus

 

[Ali_Baba]

reports suggested Fordow access roads were targeted in air raids..
Fordow invasion coming.....

All of the entrances have been covered up with masses of dirt when they left. They should bring their shovels aswell as they will need to dig their way in first.

 

[Master Chief]

US could have when they had 500K soldiers in Afghan, but not now.

US has 1.5 billion call centre operatives in Greater Gangadesh who are happy to do Dolun Phraand's bidding if he wants to bomb Pakistan. Modi will gladly ensure mutual destruction of both our nations at the behest of any 3rd party (but, ironically, never wants 3rd party involvement in seeking solutions to his problems).

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I do not understand what do my words on war technicalities like re-establishment of CoC, IRGCAF's deterrence, interception vs hit ratios etc have anything to do with what Iranian leadership should do or not do? I am not making policies, I am just a regular citizen with zero inside scoop.

my prayers for the people of Iran.

 

[Musings]

Iran claims to be targeting military installations in Israel. Was that public road such a target?

The odd missile could go astray. Not impossible. On the other hand you have a nation that actually targets hospitals and feeding booths for the starving. Lets not show concern for that?

 

[hussain0216]

21 percent of Israeli citizens are Arabs:
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They were offered Palestinian citizenship many times but they chose to live in occupied territory you call Israel.

They get less rights as Palestinians

The Arab/Muslim population in the region is growing faster then the Jews and is much younger then the Jews

Arabs inside Israel are protecting their land and community and don't even have to give a shit or fight for Israel


It's why Israel is so desperate to try and ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, or use force and pressure to make them migrate


In the long-term the biggest weapon Israel faces is the demographic reality as opposed to any bomb

And the best thing the Muslim world can do is the same thing they did against the crusaders harass them, harass them, harass them until we can remove or destroy them

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

The US/Israel plan to turn Iran into another Jordan. A complete castrated client state.

Bow down to Israel and you're good.

Iranians are just not realizing - Time for diplomacy is long gone now.

Battlefield/war will decide the outcome now.

Israelis don't do half-hearted job. They completely slaughter their enemies given any chance.

This is make or break moment of Iran.

Don't play on Israel's terms. Don't attack Americans unless they cross some serious line.

Buy some nukes from North Korea. This will end this shit show for good.

Pakistan and Turkiye - if you allow Iran to fall to Israel, you better know what would be the consequences of it.

May Allah help Iran gain complete victory over these Zionists.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

But so far Iran has deliberately not targeted anything of value, missiles and launchers are running out. Its sus

About time than... since that is an irrecoverable asset. Once gone will render the whole industry useless. Employees will have to relocate ASAP as the skillset will be lost forever. That right there ends the whole project.