Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

I have been a strong supporter of Iran in this war, but if Iran has indeed agreed to a ceasefire at this stage, then I must say that Iran lost this war very badly. All that "Marg bar Amreeka" and "Marg bar Israel" is exposed as hollow rhetoric. Iranian political and military leaders are exposed as buffoons living in an alternate reality and Iran the country is proven a paper tiger. Whether its the Arabs or Persians, none of them are able to fight Israel. Sorry.

Its the decisionmakers. We could have conquered all of Israel already in 2020.. someone from inside is sabotaging all our efforts.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

China standing by and doing nothing? China just doesn't need to do it

It seems to me the popular quote of Chinese members here on PDF is "that it is dangerous to have the US as a close friend because when push comes to shove they may abandon you".

What can we say about China and its friend Iran?
Where was your helping hand in their time of great need??????

 

[CrniLabud]

israel has been hitting hard today to push Iran to sign a ceasefire.

The precedent has been set, israel will now strike at will, every few months you will seee assassinations, bombings to deteriorate BM capabilities and AD capabilities. Nuclear program and scientists will be routinely hit.

In the meantime israel will replenish its AD and enhance it… terrible time to do a ceasefire, unless Iran has been a paper tiger all along and has few BMs left?

Hezbollah was right to sit this out, when they needed Iran the most, Iran sold them out.

 

[Psyko70]

You got your history a bit wrong. I do agree that the last American President who showed enough spine against Israel was Bush Sr. But it was Bill who engineered the Oslo Accords. As unfair as they were, it was still too much for Israel to swallow and they killed Rabin for that. Then Bill tried again in 2000 in Camp David and the Taaba conference.
It's been more and more American slavery to Israel after Bush senior--and I mean more and more in increasing way of slavery. I have been here since Bush Sr. year and I have followed the American Middle East policies... Biden was exceptionally bad. Trump is even worse.

You are a senior, what is your view on the trump ceasefire announcement, what could be terms ?

 

[SteppeWolff]

It seems to me the popular quote of Chinese members here on PDF is "that it is dangerous to have the US as a close friend because when push comes to shove they may abandon you".

What can we say about China and its friend Iran?
Where was your helping hand in their time of great need??????

Replace China with Russia.

 

[Sarhang]

Only if they surrender their nuclear program but I’m hoping they still have a trick up their sleeves otherwise yeah it’s over how about they take a lesson from Israel smile say everything is good and just go ape

There is not much of a nuclear program left mate. It's gone.

IR only has that small uranium toy in his hand unable to process it because the facilities have been blown up.

There is a ceasefire because Anglo-Saxons think the nuclear danger is gone.

 

[vmro]

Nothing stopping Iran from using the pause to good effect.
Procure advanced tech from China on an urgent basis.
Repair what needs repairing.

Of course Iran has to be careful because US satellites will be watching to see what Iran repairs and everything else.

It would be some deception, some just so nicely projected and interpreted, or will be some snap back or whatever traps, no way for Bibi to simply stop the war, already is controlling borderland, so what next? He will retire??

For the sake of own dignity should reject it now, and inform trump that he will get answer in few days, in which Israel is all in punched..at least this is must be...

 

[mangekyo]

I have to say, all of your points are completely valid.

Israel does suddenly come across as a bit of a paper tiger.

A reasonable alliance of nations and irregular groups could hand them their backsides quite easily.

Someone inside IRI is trying very hard to keep Israel safe from IRI

 

[Jango007]

Hajizadeh was just the mouthpiece, he said 75% of Iranian missiles during TP2 hit their targets while Pezeshkian was shown satellite images of clear misses

10 nuclear scientists are not 'all', lets not believe israeli exaggerations

the only allies for Iran were Houthis. Hezbollah sat on their ass and should be abandoned entirely

Nuclear SCIETISTS are not real scientists in a sense that they are not finding or developing any thing new. These scientists are more of people with technical knowhow and how to put things together.

Killing ALL nuclear scientists is like saying their have killed all the heart specialists.....even if all the heart specialists are killed there are doctors who can treat heart disease just that they will take longer to do because of the less experience or knowledge.

Iranian nuclear program is VERY safe because no one can kill off their technical know how and base. For example Pakistan nuclear program was not single handedly run by Dr. Qadir...he was a Metullargist just like my father...both trained and educated in top Western universities and then they trained hundreds more under them.......knowledge was passed on and even though they are both gone they did their job and educated hundreds more.....

So who ever says Iranian scientists are killed and who is going to run the program makes me laugh and mad at the same time....

 

[MLK!]

Whoever this mole is that convinced IRI to accept ceasefire, he must have a very high position and a lot of influence over khamenei.

I don't think it's about that, I just think to many to politicans are not willing to go into the next phase and risk it. You can take on Israel but not the US and NATO combined. Israel has no interceptors left, as soon as the US feels they're getting too much damage they'll jump in. Goverment don't want that smoke.

 

[Meengla]

You are correct. Trump has definitely sold Bibi down the river.
However, I put it to you, that if Iran ignores the ceasefire and rains hell upon a crippled Israel (assuming they have the ability to do this), then the outcome would be even worse for Netanyahu.
There is a surprising opportunity here, if Iran has the capacity to take advantage. To simply ignore Trump and punish Bibi now, after all this theatre, would be like a stun grenade to zionism's soul.

It is a big 'IF' if Iran has the capabilities. Anyway, let's assume they have it. Then why not regroup and clean Iran from inside first as it seems like the major damage to Iran is from inside itself.
We know there is going to be another war.

 

[hyperman]

WTF kind of ceasefire is this?

 

[Psyko70]

Nuclear SCIETISTS are not real scientists in a sense that they are not finding or developing any thing new. These scientists are more of people with technical knowhow and how to put things together.

Killing ALL nuclear scientists is like saying their have killed all the heart specialists.....even if all the heart specialists are killed there are doctors who can treat heart disease just that they will take longer to do because of the less experience or knowledge.

Iranian nuclear program is VERY safe because no one can kill off their technical know how and base. For example Pakistan nuclear program was not single handedly run by Dr. Qadir...he was a Metullargist just like my father...both trained and educated in top Western universities and then they trained hundreds more under them.......knowledge was passed on and even though they are both gone they did their job and educated hundreds more.....

So who ever says Iranian scientists are killed and who is going to run the program makes me laugh and mad at the same time....

Then what is ceasefire for ? I think the reality is trump statements are somewhat true the us b2 operation was a success to extent that iranian program has probably delayed for years. Im just shocked Iran ceasefire and that 6 hr fiasco.

Lesson for iran, never show off be silent. If you dont have nukes then dont even think about giving big statements. Iranian people are brave but the leadership was weak.

 

[Brutal.]

israel has been hitting hard today to push Iran to sign a ceasefire.

The precedent has been set, israel will now strike at will, every few months you will seee assassinations, bombings to deteriorate BM capabilities and AD capabilities. Nuclear program and scientists will be routinely hit.

In the meantime israel will replenish its AD and enhance it… terrible time to do a ceasefire, unless Iran has been a paper tiger all along and has few BMs left?

Hezbollah was right to sit this out, when they needed Iran the most, Iran sold them out.

Their target is to change regime and install raza pahalvi until then their wont be a true ceasefire from their side.

 

[MH.Yang]

Will China help Iran and send it Army or Air defense systems? I don't think so, so why are you as Chinese encouraging Iran to keep fighting when everyone knows that they are not fighting Israel but US/NATO, they have combine power which your China or Russia wont dare cross, I am surprised Iran last this long against the coalition, fighting is easy but agreeing to peace is hard.

How much damage can the US do by dropping a few bombs halfway around the world? When Trump repeatedly boasts about the B-2's long-range bombing and stealth capabilities, Iran should quickly realize that there is a soft underbelly embedded in it, and that the U.S. is hiding the fact that they lack the ability to bomb Iran on a large scale and are afraid to commit ground troops. The main pressure on Iran comes from Israel, not some NATO. You can't tell me that Iran's will to resist Israel is only for a few days, can you? As for China, as soon as the US enters the battlefield, you'll see Chinese armaments move in quickly and without giving the US a chance to re-disengage from the battlefield. China's job is to make sure the US doesn't dare commit ground troops. As long as the US does not commit ground troops, the Iranian government cannot be overthrown by force unless they choose to surrender themselves.