RealNapster
Elite Member
How much will it cost to rebuilt the oil infrastructure ? Maybe 3-4 billion $. Add 20 billion $ worth of weapons from China. Iran can easily sign a deal worth $30 billion of oil with china for all this.
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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How much will it cost to rebuilt the oil infrastructure ? Maybe 3-4 billion $. Add 20 billion $ worth of weapons from China. Iran can easily sign a deal worth $30 billion of oil with china for all this.
lightning f57
Trusted Member
They didn't negotiate anything, this seems like same strategy trumpy used with Pak & India.
Garcia Sea
Registered Member
After World War I, France adopted a strategy to deter Germany by strengthening alliances with Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Belgium to prevent German revenge.
However, when Germany began its territorial expansion, France allowed the annexation of its ally, Czechoslovakia.
The following year, when Germany invaded Poland, France declared war only in name but again stood by and did nothing.
This stance caused Belgium, the remaining ally, to lose trust in France, distance itself, and, with unity fractured, Germany invaded France the year after Poland, leading to France’s surrender in just one month.
Now, do you understand what I’m saying?
Iran abandoning its allies was the same catastrophic mistake as France, and it led to a de facto surrender in just two weeks.
Your argument that proxy wars should be stopped is historically incorrect.
The West, knowing from bitter history that proxy wars are the path to peace, fully supports its allies and wages proxy wars with all its might.
You should learn from history.
However, when Germany began its territorial expansion, France allowed the annexation of its ally, Czechoslovakia.
The following year, when Germany invaded Poland, France declared war only in name but again stood by and did nothing.
This stance caused Belgium, the remaining ally, to lose trust in France, distance itself, and, with unity fractured, Germany invaded France the year after Poland, leading to France’s surrender in just one month.
Now, do you understand what I’m saying?
Iran abandoning its allies was the same catastrophic mistake as France, and it led to a de facto surrender in just two weeks.
Your argument that proxy wars should be stopped is historically incorrect.
The West, knowing from bitter history that proxy wars are the path to peace, fully supports its allies and wages proxy wars with all its might.
You should learn from history.
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
I don't blame him, I would be frustrated too if I were in his shoes.Trump's strong language a sign of how frustrated he's become
Bernd Debusmann Jr
Reporting from Washington DC
Image source, EPA
I spend most of my days at the White House, and I’m often part of the press pool or travelling with President Donald Trump on his trips around the US.
Rarely – if ever – have I seen him using the sort of language he used this morning.
Trump tends to reserve his angrier moments for Truth Social. He’s a man who likes to, at least publicly, keep the image of a cool, calculated dealmaker, and on the few occasions I’ve seen him snap in front of the media, it’s been at reporters for “stupid” or “ridiculous” questions.
His use of an expletive in front of the world’s cameras on the South Lawn of the White House are perhaps a sign of how frustrated he’s become with the two warring parties, with Israel seemingly – for now – facing the brunt of his anger.
Trump has repeatedly vowed that he will bring an end to conflicts, including in Gaza and Ukraine.
More recently, we’ve seen him pivot to claim credit for ending fighting between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and between India and Pakistan. Those conflicts, however, were largely far from the mind of most Americans.
In the eyes of the administration, a ceasefire between Iran and Israel will be – or would have been – a crowning foreign policy achievement that would have allowed him to point to a significant victory, particularly if coupled with an end to Iran’s nuclear programme that was helped along by US bombers.
Already last night, we saw figures from within the White House loudly praise Trump’s “peace”. But for now, he appears to be flustered and angry that it’s not taking place.
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
First comes the ceasefire - then comes negotiations, then comes CBMs, then come concessions. This is how global diplomacy works all around the world.
Be dazzled
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
On the other hand...
Meengla
Elite Member
BTW, in case we haven't noticed: The way the air warfare has evolved, getting older fighter jets is not going to cut it for major players. Powerful modern jets are needed between peer powers, powerful integrated air defense system needed, continuous training and assessment needing, satellites, electronic defense... things which Pravin Swaheny has been talking about for years in the context of China+Pakistan vs India conflict.
And I think getting 4+ gen fighter jets is not going to be easy for most countries due to production concerns. I think India is already feeling the pinch despite its deep pockets.
Abdul Abbas sounds like a fake name tbh
German Angst
Registered Member
Stop dragging Pakistan into the conflict ffs.
As a Pakistani citizen, you should care about the lives and future of Pakistanis — not Iranians.
- If Pakistan aligns militarily with Iran, we risk becoming internationally isolated.
- From that point on, we’ll be walking around with a target on our back — strategically, economically, and politically.
- We’d be joining a bloc that has never shown us loyalty or reliability in the past.
- Iran openly supports sectarian Shia militias that kill Sunnis, all while claiming to fight oppression.
- These same groups have stirred unrest in Balochistan, threatening our own internal stability.
- Even if their war with Israel was right, backing forces like Iran is a direct threat to our national security.
- Taking Iran’s side could lead to crippling sanctions, damage our economy, and destroy Pakistan’s image globally.
As a Pakistani citizen, you should care about the lives and future of Pakistanis — not Iranians.
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
Who is dragging Pakistan into the conflict? Has any Pakistani leader made such comments? Commentators on Twitter and PDF do not represent the Government of Pakistan.
German Angst
Registered Member
Can we refrain from posting the same unreliable fake news sources over and over again? It just demolishes any quality of our discussions here
It's not yet Night there, you sure this picture is real ?
German Angst
Registered Member
I am talking about the members here who are full of jazbaat and ummah chummah
