Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Aziqbal]

1- expel all Afghans and Indians

2- get a air force

3- rebuild air defence

4-get AWACS

5- expand manufacturing of ballistic and hypersonic missiles

6- make friendship with China like Pakistan does

7- dont try and be 100% indigenous no one rely solely on themselves

 

[mangekyo]

Fake News

There's much more impact than you say, and a German journalist today admitted that Israel censors many of Iran's losses and targets.

Iran gains a lot of war experience.

Iran wins through numerous arrests of traitors in the country.

Iran gains a lot of useful data for its future combat defense through military science.

Iran has weakened Israel and forced thousands of people to flee the Zionist country.

Iran has the sympathy of the whole world.

Iranian unity and its population are even stronger.

Both of you are right and wrong. IF Iran manages to recover before Israel launches another attack. Its a HUGE win for Iran and imo the west has to agree Iran is a major power in the region for good. This wasn’t Iran vs Israel. It was Iran vs Israel + NATO and US backing. It was Iran vs the collective west through sanctions. We have shown twice that no matter how much they unite against us, we will not break. Never been more proud to be Iranian

 

[Cash gk]

To all those criticizing Iran for not achieving anything significant—just watch this.

This is not a civilian. This is Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, standing in front of a camera, almost pleading with the world—showing off damaged buildings and debris like a helpless victim.

Can you even believe a man leading a “nuclear-armed regional power” is crying on camera like this?
This is what Iran managed to do, despite sanctions, isolation, and global pressure.

Still think Iran didn’t achieve anything? Watch.

 

[mulj]

Why would Iran chose a retarded nation like India over China unless there are some things complicating our relationship?

Frankly that is rhetorical question with many blunders you did in your foreign policy.

 

[lightning f57]

Some are saying this is a victory for Iran some a victory for Israel, I sit in between.

Israel likely wanted regime change, they failed.

Israel wanted to remove the nuclear program all together, they likely set it back years and failed to secure tje enriched Uranium.

Israel wanted to destroy or severely weaken Iranian missile production and offensive ability, we will need to wait and see but they had control of skys in western Iran so must have done significant damage.

Israel wanted to weaken Iran economically, you can say they have but oil infrastructure is still there.

For Iran it was about survival and saving the nuclear program, they survived for now and likely have some ability to still enrich although its now likely limited.

Iran wanted to force Israel into a ceasefire and they did that as Israel interceptor missile were running out, but Irans ability to launch scores of missiles also reduced.

Iran caused infrastructure damage to Israel killing around 30 Israelis but itself sustained lots of damage over 600 people killed including scientists, military generals and leaders. Iran failed to offensively reduce Israels ability to strike it but absorbed allot of blows.

Iran lost allot of airdefence and radar systems which helps Israel carry out future incursions so unless Iran can restore this quickly its at a disadvantage.

Overall if I try and look at this rationally Iran is in the much weaker position and does not control the escalation ladder. Israel can decide when it wants to carry out an attack something Iran can't foresee, Israel however can see BM and drone launches.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

IR did well, need to improve AD and missile stock now

And sack airforce chief

The issue is not the air force chief. The air force is under the regular Iranian military. Most of the funding for offensive weapons goes to the IRGC. Iran used to have a solid, indigenous fighter jet program during the Ahmadinejad's presidency. Then I think the reformists came and derailed it through repurposing the budget. So the air force can't do much if they aren't fully funded.

The biggest failure came from the Iranian intelligence who did not detect when a whole army of Mossad terrorists and traitors formed inside the country.

 

[Tamerlane]

The Muslim world exists whether you like it or not, the fact that it's disunited doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Ummah is a concept that is rooted in Islam, so whether we accept it or not if we call ourselves Muslims it's part and parcel of our faith

It’s possible that some people say that’s there’s no ummah because they’re disappointed at the lack of Muslim unity. These people I can understand because in reality Muslims are very divided.

However, there some who seem to think that it’s an obsolete concept that needs to be thrown out of the window. Maybe they’ve read some textbook by some dead white man saying that nation-states are what matter. The concept of nation-states was created in the 1600s and today the Europeans themselves have thrown it into the dustbin of history. They operate as blocks of countries with shared histories and values, like the European Union and NATO.

Meanwhile the brown man making fun of Muslim unity, calling it ‘ummah chummah’ is around 375 years behind the white man, as usual.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Iran fired 500+ missiles at Israel and only achieved c. 30-50 good impacts

I would say their air defence performed very well. how would Iranian air defence fare against 500 ballistic missiles?!

if we continued firing 100+ missiles at Israel per day from this point onwards, we could expose their air defence limitations, but we were not able to do that.

it can only be either air force bombing or missile attack simultaneously..
so, no, entity cannot fire 500 missile because of its size
(i am not a military specialist like every one else!)

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran: 610 killed, 4,746 injured (total: 5,356)

Israel: 29 killed, 3,238 injured (total: 3,267)

 

[mangekyo]

Some are saying this is a victory for Iran some a victory for Israel, I sit in between.

Israel likely wanted regime change, they failed.

Israel wanted to remove the nuclear program all together, they likely set it back years and failed to secure tje enriched Uranium.

Israel wanted to destroy or severely weaken Iranian missile production and offensive ability, we will need to wait and see but they had control of skys in western Iran so must have done significant damage.

Israel wanted to weaken Iran economically, you can say they have but oil infrastructure is still there.

For Iran it was about survival and saving the nuclear program, they survived for now and likely have some ability to still enrich although its now likely limited.

Iran wanted to force Israel into a ceasefire and they did that as Israel interceptor missile were running out, but Irans ability to launch scores of missiles also reduced.

Iran caused infrastructure damage to Israel killing around 30 Israelis but itself sustained lots of damage over 600 people killed including scientists, military generals and leaders. Iran failed to offensively reduce Israels ability to strike it but absorbed allot of blows.

Iran lost allot of airdefence and radar systems which helps Israel carry out future incursions so unless Iran can restore this quickly its at a disadvantage.

Overall if I try and look at this rationally Iran is in the much weaker position and does not control the escalation ladder. Israel can decide when it wants to carry out an attack something Iran can't foresee, Israel however can see BM and drone launches.

You’re not seeing the bigger picture. This is the exact same thing they tried in the 80s using Saddam. They are trying to remove Iran and Israel was the only country willing to do the «dirty work for the west» as that German politician said. They failed. So now what?

 

[ResurgentIran2]

more Mossad agents arrested in Iran with their weapons (including Spike ATGM) confiscated

Only one solution for these vermin. Mass execution. Im sorry, I normally am loathed to call for the death of others.
But betraying your country and help your arch enemy commit agression against it? No forgiveness.

Which is why I now DESPISE that fuckin sewer rat Reza Pahlavi (not that I ever was a fan)

 

[mulj]

It’s possible that some people say that’s there’s no ummah because they’re disappointed at the lack of Muslim unity. These people I can understand because in reality Muslims are very divided.

However, there some who seem to think that it’s an obsolete concept that needs to be thrown out of the window. Maybe they’ve read some textbook by some dead white man saying that nation-states are what matter. The concept of nation-states was created in the 1600s and today the Europeans themselves have thrown it into the dustbin of history. They operate as blocks of countries with shared histories and values, like the European Union and NATO.

Meanwhile the brown man making fun of Muslim unity, calling it ‘ummah chummah’ is around 375 years behind the white man, as usual.

We are deprived totally of awareness how symbolism is important for human mind and spirit and how it can transform various realities.

 

[vmro]

Iran fired 500+ missiles at Israel and only achieved c. 30-50 good impacts

I would say their air defence performed very well. how would Iranian air defence fare against 500 ballistic missiles?

if we continued firing 100+ missiles at Israel per day from this point onwards, we could expose their air defence limitations, but we were not able to do that.

This have to be put in some context, from the other side there are some models of missiles, relatively newer ones that were not used yet... other conclusion is with 10 fatahs daily impactful results are guaranteed, 2 of them will inflict damage that for tiny entity is unacceptable on medim-long terms...

why no cruise missiles at all..And immediately getting full package from Kim, giving him chance to test anything from his arsenal...

But first and foremost what is the deal with the launchers and what is potential fix for this issue???

 

[PK781]

damn i missed more than 100 pages in a day!

What's the latest situation ??

 

[j_hungary]

Never in my life have I seen Iran and Israel bracketed or hyphenated together for public chastisement by a serving US President.

Israel is, on paper, an indispensable ally to USA, and no US President would ever give them the direct public message that essentially "we bombed a mountain for you, now wind your neck in, and behave like we just told Iran to".

The member you are responding to has made the point that either Netanyahu or Israel as a whole, or both, have never been in this position in anyone's living memory.

I think the point is completely valid and warrants exploration. You are deflecting from that by confirming what is already well known - that Trump agreed to a bombing run on behalf of Tel Aviv.

Regarding the matter being discussed, I genuinely now feel that Trump feels a need to answer his core MAGA critics (Bannon etc) by holding back on any further blind support for Israel at this stage. I could be wrong, but that seems the direction of flow.

Iran should take full advantage of this chink in the armour of the USA-Israel alliance.

Well, the issue here is, this does not really matter how it goes between Iran and Israel.

That ship has sailed, and that is something we, the Americans, don't want to do, and he did it anyway. you can say, "oh, he is now just as disciplined to Nethanyahu as Iran". Sure, if Trump has a good stock at home, there is going to be some political wiggle room for him to maneuver around. Still, he is not, by all accounts he is either going to be the lowest approval rating president or already is in the lowest. At the same time, for him, it didn't matter, for the GOP, tho, they are looking at a wipeout in next year's mid-term, if not because of this, then it will be because of the economy.

On the other hand, what do you think Trump would do? He gone all gun-ho and bomb the crap out of Iran, first of all, setting aside whether or not Iran can swallow it and let it go, would that be the end of it? I mean there are only 2 ways to go, either going back to diplomacy, which wasn't tried before at all, or keep escalating, I don't know if you heard of people call him TACO, that's already sticking, so if he went back after going all gun-ho, there are going to be reprecussion with his base, because it will look like he chicken out again, if he continue support the Israel, this will no doubt drag us into another war we do not want, now, is this Trump playing Netanyahu? Or Netanyahu playing Trump? I will let you decide.

But if you ask me whether or not he care about either Iran or Israel, he probably don't, he is just doing this because he can, on the other hand, never underestimate AIPAC pull in the US. Even if he is saying no out in the public, that may not mean no, I mean, we went from May last year when biden withhold those GBU for Israel in fear they will be used in Gaza, to we actively play a part of Israeli ploy in Iran this June, now can you really call that a progress if Trump slap around Netanyahu a bit? Well, that's my point.