Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

I don't tend to speculate when I don't know, I will say I just don't know.

Did Iran have 85% HEU? Maybe, I don't know, and no one is know for sure, the issue here is, going back to your previous question, now assuming that the cake is intact and store somewhere safe, and assuming you have stored all the test log, the important question now is, whether the centrifuge stopped or damaged. Because it's not plug and play, you can't put it back up and put the uranium cake back in and it goes back from wherever you take it out before. So if that 6 months or so delay is on the fuel side (ie, the centrifuge is not damage and you just taken the fuel out), that's easy to retify, you just need to refuel the centrifuge, but if the centrifuge was damaged and need 6 months to repair? That's going take a long time to recalibrate the centrifuge after making it operational again, sure, it will not be decades like it was before, but it is going to be year, if not years for Iran to pick back up the process. And again, that is assuming the fuel cake is intact

It didn't matter if they had a replacement facilities, because you are going to need to fine tune the centrifuge to spin in a particular way to keep the U238 separating from U235, that's going to take a long time to do because you are talking about adjustment in micron unit
Well I’m guessing if Iran has another enrichment plant as they say they do operational won’t take as long to do what they need to if they decide to go ahead with a bomb right asking a real question your trying to be center for the most part and I actually appreciate that
 
The idea of fully pivoting East was tried during Ahmadinejad's presidency. It didn't work well. Both China and Russia allowed 4 rounds of UN Security Council resolutions to be passed on Iran. So, it's not that easy.
Iran needs sanctions relief to maximize trade with as many nations as possible. They need secure pipelines to customers on the Eurasian continent, and just off of it to raise revenues and invest into their economy, to rebuild public services. They need a conventional military, that is able to defend their country, because neither Russia nor china will physically intervene. Now the issue for them is how will they be able to get sanctions relief and still hold onto the potential to breakout should the threat of a full blown regime change war flare up again? What assurance will they believe to give up their stockpile again?

Iran is in the following predicament:
 
All of this may be true if it were based on reliable facts. But the modern world is based on lies. The war in Ukraine is proof of that. Or the downing of MH17.
So are you saying that Mahdi Obeidi is a fake person? That it is easy to create/buy nuclear refinement centrifuges?
 
Honestly, after witnessing this conflict, I’ve slightly revised my opinion of Zelensky, whom I used to dislike.
Despite losing vast territories in just a few days, facing an onslaught on his capital, and enduring intense airstrikes, he chose to fight relentlessly, mobilized his forces, and launched a counterattack without retreating a single step.
If Zelensky had been as cowardly as the Ayatollahs, he would have surrendered immediately, and Ukraine would have been occupied by Russia almost without a fight. And he would have justified it as a rational choice.

In the end, more than equipment or national strength, it's the leader’s will to fight that matters most. When the leader is gripped by fear and on the verge of surrendering, no soldier wants to die in a futile battle.
Zelensky has US and NATO backing. Iran is all alone. If Iran was backed by the West and Israel all alone then it would be comparable.
 
So are you saying that Mahdi Obeidi is a fake person? That it is easy to create/buy nuclear refinement centrifuges?
I didn't say that.
The IAEA confirms that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons, so who is lying?
 
How unstable do you think the ground is in Frodo? Or do you believe that despite all the seismic shock from the MOPs it is fine to re-enter?
Something I was pondering for awhile today. Iran is known to have substantial earthquake activity. In addition to depth, whose to say the engineers did not design the structures to sit on some type of shock-absorbing foundation.
 

'We will kill your wife and children’​

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June 24, 2025 - 23:31

Leaked audio shows Israel tried to get Iranian generals to quit, but failed​



TEHRAN – In the chaotic hours following the beginning of the Israeli regime’s illegal aggression against Iran on June 13—a brazen assault that martyred revered commanders such as Major General Hossein Salami and Major General Mohammad Bagheri—a sinister parallel operation unfolded.

According to the Washington Post, Israeli intelligence operatives, masquerading as omnipotent assassins, placed at least 20 calls to senior Iranian military figures.

Their demand was grotesque: Record a surrender video denouncing the Islamic Republic within 12 hours, or face annihilation alongside your families.

“We will kill you, your family, your children, everyone, with the dirt,” one Mossad agent hissed to an IRGC general, adding, “We’re closer to you than your own neck vein.”

Yet, not a single general complied. Not one fled. Not one betrayed their nation. This collective act of courage, amid Israel’s bombardment of civilian infrastructure, exposes the hollow core of the Zionist regime’s psychological warfare.

The failure of this campaign is not merely operational; it is a strategic and moral collapse that demands global attention.

A window into Israel’s desperation

The leaked audio, published by The Washington Post, reveals Israel’s playbook: exploit moments of vulnerability to fracture Iran’s government.

Calls were placed just two hours into the regime's heinous act of aggression, coinciding with the targeted killings of Iran’s top commanders.

Israeli intelligence agents—presumably from Mossad or Aman and fluent in Persian—threatened IRGC generals to record 'disassociation' videos sent via Telegram.

“Do you want to be the next one on the list?” one operative taunted. The intent was transparent: manufacture public defections to demoralize Iran’s forces and ignite internal chaos.

Yet, Zero videos surfaced. Zero generals defected.

Instead, IRGC ranks tightened their formation, and the Iranian Armed Forces mobilized with renewed determination.

This mirrors Iran’s broader resilience: Despite Israel’s repeated war crimes—assassinations of senior officials and nuclear scientists, strikes on civilian infrastructure, police headquarters and Evin Prison, cyber-attacks, bombardment of cultural sites, calls for Tehran’s evacuation and uprisings—the Iranian people have only grown more united.

A surge of renewed nationalism and patriotism now sweeps the nation, as Iranians from all walks of life rally behind their flag and stand resolute in defense of their homeland.

Why Israel’s psychological war crashed against Iran’s fortitude

I. Loyalty beyond coercion

The IRGC’s structure, honed over decades, prioritizes values-based and patriotic loyalty over individual ambition.

Commanders are embedded within communities, their loyalty grounded in shared Revolutionary values and a deep commitment to preserving the Iranian government.

II. Honor and martyrdom

The Israeli regime’s demand for humiliation videos betrayed a fundamental misreading of Iranian honor.

For Iranian commanders, surrender equates to betraying martyrs like Major Generals Soleimani, Bagheri, Hajizadeh, and Salami.

The loss of fellow commanders doesn’t breed despair but a solemn, honorable guilt—“Why was it not my time?”

Far from breaking their will, each martyrdom steels their resolve. They channel grief into defiance, determined that no sacrifice will be forgotten or wasted.

This ethos permeates Iran’s response to the Israeli regime all throughout the 12 days of non-stop Israeli aggression.

III. The leak an admission of defeat

Israel’s leak of the operation to the Washington Post was an admission of failure. Covert espionage successes remain in the shadows; only faltering moves crave publicity. By releasing the intercepted calls so soon after the raid, Mossad tried to uphold an illusion of omnipotence.

Instead, it inadvertently underscored Iran’s unbroken chain of command and the fierce resolve of its new generation of commanders.

Therefore, Israel’s psychological warfare gambit was not just foiled—it was transformed into a testament to Iran’s spiritual and institutional resilience.

With their defiance, those Iranian generals proved Iran cannot be bullied, bought, or broken.

The world should heed this lesson.
 
Iran better focus on traitors, Israeli spies and nuclear program.
 
Something I was pondering for awhile today. Iran is known to have substantial earthquake activity. In addition to depth, whose to say the engineers did not design the structures to sit on some type of shock-absorbing foundation.
That is not what I am talking about.

As I am currently in the semicon industry, I know about seismic isolation of our test platforms. But am asking about the ground outside the underground facilities. How stable are they? Sinkholes, maybe?
 
We must not forget that Iran's centrifuge technology and its scale are still very immature.
In many advanced countries, it takes less than a year to install and operate the centrifuges necessary to produce enough enriched uranium for 20 nuclear weapons annually in their enrichment plants. This is because the amount of nuclear fuel consumed in nuclear power generation is enormous, and the small amount required for nuclear weapons is not an issue.
On the other hand, Iran's uranium enrichment pace has been as slow as a tortoise, which led to a fatal failure.
Considering Iran's national strength, it would honestly take at least 10 years to rebuild.
It goes without saying that the U.S. claims it would take only a few months to rebuild because they plan to attack again by August.
 

Exclusive: Early US intel assessment suggests strikes on Iran did not destroy nuclear sites, sources say​

Natasha Bertrand Katie Bo Lillis Zachary Cohen
By Natasha Bertrand, Katie Bo Lillis and Zachary Cohen, CNN
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CNN —
The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by seven people briefed on it.

The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.

The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.”


Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.” Another source said that the intelligence assessed enriched uranium was moved out of the sites prior to the US strikes.

“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added.

The White House acknowledged the existence of the assessment but said they disagreed with it.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told CNN in a statement: “This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong and was classified as ‘top secret’ but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community. The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump, and discredit the brave fighter pilots who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Iran’s nuclear program. Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000 pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration.”

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Trump, who’s in the Netherlands attending this week’s NATO summit, pushed back on CNN’s report in a Truth Social post. “One of the most successful military strikes in history,” Trump wrote in the all-caps post adding, “The nuclear sites in Iran are completely destroyed!”

The US military has said the operation went as planned and that it was an “overwhelming success.”

It is still early for the US to have a comprehensive picture of the impact of the strikes, and none of the sources described how the DIA assessment compares to the view of other agencies in the intelligence community. The US is continuing to pick up intelligence, including from within Iran as they assess the damage.

Israel had been carrying out strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities for days leading up to the US military operation but claimed to need the US’ 30,000-pound bunker buster bombs to finish the job. While US B-2 bombers dropped over a dozen of the bombs on two of the nuclear facilities, the Fordow Fuel Enrichment plant and the Natanz Enrichment Complex, the bombs did not fully eliminate the sites’ centrifuges and highly enriched uranium, according to the people familiar with the assessment.

Instead, the impact to all three sites — Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan — was largely restricted to aboveground structures, which were severely damaged, the sources said. That includes the sites’ power infrastructure and some of the aboveground facilities used to turn uranium into metal for bomb-making.

The Israeli assessment of the impact of the US strikes also found less damage on Fordow than expected. However, Israeli officials believe the combination of US and Israeli military action on multiple nuclear sites set back the Iranian nuclear program by two years, assuming they are able to rebuild it unimpeded which Israel would not allow. But Israel had also stated publicly before the US military operation that Iran’s program had been set back by two years.

Hegseth also told CNN, “Based on everything we have seen — and I’ve seen it all — our bombing campaign obliterated Iran’s ability to create nuclear weapons. Our massive bombs hit exactly the right spot at each target and worked perfectly. The impact of those bombs is buried under a mountain of rubble in Iran; so anyone who says the bombs were not devastating is just trying to undermine the President and the successful mission.“

On Tuesday morning, Trump repeated his belief the damage from the strikes was significant.

“I think it’s been completely demolished,” he said, adding, “Those pilots hit their targets. Those targets were obliterated, and the pilots should be given credit.”

Asked about the possibility of Iran rebuilding its nuclear program, Trump responded, “That place is under rock. That place is demolished.”

While Trump and Hegseth have been bullish about the success of the strikes, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan Caine said Sunday that while the damage assessment was still ongoing it would be “way too early” to comment on whether Iran still retains some nuclear capabilities.

Republican Rep. Michael McCaul, the chairman emeritus of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, would not echo Trump’s claims that the Iranian program had been “obliterated” when pressed by CNN on Tuesday.

“I’ve been briefed on this plan in the past, and it was never meant to completely destroy the nuclear facilities, but rather cause significant damage,” McCaul told CNN, referring to the US military plans to strike Iranian nuclear facilities. “But it was always known to be a temporary setback.”

Jeffrey Lewis, a weapons expert and professor at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies who has closely reviewed commercial satellite imagery of the strike sites, agreed with the assessment that the attacks do not appear to have ended Iran’s nuclear program.

“The ceasefire came without either Israel or the United States being able to destroy several key underground nuclear facilities, including near Natanz, Isfahan and Parchin,” Lewis said, referring to the ceasefire between Israel and Iran that Trump announced on Monday. Parchin is a separate nuclear complex near Tehran.

“These facilities could serve as the basis for the rapid reconstitution of Iran’s nuclear program.”

Earlier on Tuesday, classified briefings for both the House and Senate on the operation were canceled.

The all-Senate briefing has been moved to Thursday, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Two separate sources familiar told CNN the briefing for all House lawmakers has also been postponed. It was not immediately clear why it was delayed or when it would be rescheduled.

Democratic Rep. Pat Ryan of New York said on X on Tuesday that “Trump just cancelled a classified House briefing on the Iran strikes with zero explanation. The real reason? He claims he destroyed ‘all nuclear facilities and capability;’ his team knows they can’t back up his bluster and BS.”

As CNN has reported, there have long been questions about whether the US’ bunker-buster bombs, known as Massive Ordnance Penetrators, would be able to fully destroy Iran’s highly fortified nuclear sites that are buried deep underground — particularly at Fordow and Isfahan, Iran’s largest nuclear research complex.

Notably, the US struck Isfahan with Tomahawk missiles launched from a submarine instead of a bunker-buster bomb. That is because there was an understanding that the bomb would likely not successfully penetrate Isfahan’s lower levels, which are buried even deeper than Fordow, one of the sources said.

US officials believe Iran also maintains secret nuclear facilities that were not targeted in the strike and remain operational, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

This story has been updated with additional details.

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins, Jim Sciutto, Lauren Fox, Annie Grayer and DJ Judd contributed reporting.
 

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