Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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j_hungary
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Again, I am not going to speculate.
I can just tell you this, as I told the other guy, there was this JAEA site somewhere in Japan (I am not going to guess where it was as I forgot) and it got decommissioned in 1996, and they start transferring the fuel cake to Oak Ridge in the US and down-rich it from weapon grade into fuel grade Uranium (so from ~80% going back to 5%) and the process started from 2003 and only completed last year, it's the same process but reverse, and it's a lot more easier to downrich the Uranium than to continue enrich it.
And you are talking about 2 capable nuclear power with high degree of advance technology, doing the same stuff but in the opposite direction, and it take them 21 years, granted it's a intercontinental transfer and they probably do it safe to the max, so it's probably not going to take decade for Iran to do that, but it's not going to be year or years as well, and that is if we can assume Iranian technology is on par with the US or the Japanese.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
Elite Member
Espionage of that level is , I am afraid unpardonable in short term
Surprised the Spies were returned to India
SaadH
Elite Member
Great exercise in khayali pulao, US and Israel will never allow this build up in conventional capability to happen in the first place even after Iran surrenders completely.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
Elite Member
Baadil
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It wasn’t LGBT rights and DEI that brought the Soviet Union down.
You’ve got novel and proactive challenges against the US constitutional fabric. As America shifts away from democracy, the resisting creases in transition period are being flattened with a hammer. There’s going to be a point where “Muzzle Velocity” and “Flooding the zone” are going to output social changes at a completely unsustainable magnitude and rate; the pendulum will swing too fast and fly off.
If there’s going to be an American, Iranian Revolution, then expect untenable social conflict.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
All of these things have been tried, to be honest.
The truth is that all countries in the world prefer to comply with the US secondary sanctions because their reliance on the US economy is too much to ignore and the interests of having good economic ties with the US overshadows their economic ties with us.
A perfect example of this is the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline that not only would've tied the national interests of the said countries together, but it could've even brought peace to the Pakistan-India relations due to energy ties. It was a major international project. We built our own side of the pipeline before 2015, but Pakistan had to abandon the project due to the US pressure.
China was offered to participate in the development of several multi-billion dollar projects in Iran. China abandoned all those projects. Again, as an example, Phase 11 of the South Pars gas field was offered to the Chinese but they didn't do anything for years and Iran had to eventually kick them out and develop it on our own. Iran needs to invest $200 billion dollars in our oil and gas industries, but the Chinese seem reluctant to participate in any of these projects due to US sanctions.
Yesterday, Trump tweeted that China now can buy oil from Iran. What does that tell you? To me, it says that the Chinese buy Iranian oil with the permission of the US. That's the only reasonable implication of that comment by Trump.
China-Pakistan relations would never work had Pakistan had hostile relations with the US. So, apples and oranges.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
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ShapurII
Trusted Member
If Iran doesn't develop nuclear weapons, it proves only one thing: The regime is compromised. Most likely by the Russians, at the highest level.
GWXP
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War is lost if objectives are not achieved.
Israel's goals in its war against Iran:
1) Degrade and destroy Iranian nuclear program and remove the threat of Iran building nuclear weapons.
2) Degrade Iran's ballistic missiles program.
3) Weaken Iran's military leadership and the ability of its military to effectively retaliate to Israel's attack.
4) Create internal crisis in the regime by killing key officials.
RESULTS OF THE WAR:
1) Destroy Iranian nuclear program - now even CNN and BBC say that Iranian nuclear program is not destroyed and key components of the program are intact - FAILURE.
2) Remove the threat of Iran building nuclear weapons - because the nuclear program is not destroyed and Iran still has 408kg of 60% enriched uranium and IR-6 centrifuges that have been evacuated from nuclear facilities the threat of Iran building nuclear weapons is not removed. Moreover, after this strike Iran might accelerate its rush to a bomb - FAILURE.
3) Degrade Iranian nuclear program - but now even Pentagon says that Iranian nuclear program has been rolled back by only few months - VERY LIMITED SUCCESS.
4) Degrade Iran's ballistic missiles program - but Iranian missile bases and missile production facilities are located 200m underground and can be destroyed only by multiple tactical nuclear strikes. Israel was unable to destroy Iran's missile program and capabilities and during the war Iran launched more than 500 ballistic missiles at Israel with multiple impacts in major Israeli cities and this proved that David's Sling, Arrow-3, PAC-3, THAAD and SM-3 are ineffective - FAILURE.
5) Weaken Iran's military leadership and the ability of Iran's military to effectively retaliate to Israel's attack - Israel succeeded in killing several military leaders, but it failed to prevent Iran from launching effective retaliation against Israel. Killed generals have been quickly replaced and retaliation against Israel was launched - FAILURE.
6) Create internal crisis within the regime by killing key officials - Israel killed key generals of the IRGC who were important pillars of the system, but these generals have been replaced by other loyal generals and Iranian system has shown strong resilience - FAILURE.
We can say that Israel failed to achieve its objectives and ISRAEL LOST THIS WAR.
Instead what was achieved by Israel and US is the unity of Iranian people with the Islamic government with all Iranians rallying around Khamenei against external enemies. And now the entire pro-Western opposition in Iran is discredited as traitors and enemy collaborators. Also after this attack Iran might decide to accelerate its nuclear weapons program.
Israel's goals in its war against Iran:
1) Degrade and destroy Iranian nuclear program and remove the threat of Iran building nuclear weapons.
2) Degrade Iran's ballistic missiles program.
3) Weaken Iran's military leadership and the ability of its military to effectively retaliate to Israel's attack.
4) Create internal crisis in the regime by killing key officials.
RESULTS OF THE WAR:
1) Destroy Iranian nuclear program - now even CNN and BBC say that Iranian nuclear program is not destroyed and key components of the program are intact - FAILURE.
2) Remove the threat of Iran building nuclear weapons - because the nuclear program is not destroyed and Iran still has 408kg of 60% enriched uranium and IR-6 centrifuges that have been evacuated from nuclear facilities the threat of Iran building nuclear weapons is not removed. Moreover, after this strike Iran might accelerate its rush to a bomb - FAILURE.
3) Degrade Iranian nuclear program - but now even Pentagon says that Iranian nuclear program has been rolled back by only few months - VERY LIMITED SUCCESS.
4) Degrade Iran's ballistic missiles program - but Iranian missile bases and missile production facilities are located 200m underground and can be destroyed only by multiple tactical nuclear strikes. Israel was unable to destroy Iran's missile program and capabilities and during the war Iran launched more than 500 ballistic missiles at Israel with multiple impacts in major Israeli cities and this proved that David's Sling, Arrow-3, PAC-3, THAAD and SM-3 are ineffective - FAILURE.
5) Weaken Iran's military leadership and the ability of Iran's military to effectively retaliate to Israel's attack - Israel succeeded in killing several military leaders, but it failed to prevent Iran from launching effective retaliation against Israel. Killed generals have been quickly replaced and retaliation against Israel was launched - FAILURE.
6) Create internal crisis within the regime by killing key officials - Israel killed key generals of the IRGC who were important pillars of the system, but these generals have been replaced by other loyal generals and Iranian system has shown strong resilience - FAILURE.
We can say that Israel failed to achieve its objectives and ISRAEL LOST THIS WAR.
Instead what was achieved by Israel and US is the unity of Iranian people with the Islamic government with all Iranians rallying around Khamenei against external enemies. And now the entire pro-Western opposition in Iran is discredited as traitors and enemy collaborators. Also after this attack Iran might decide to accelerate its nuclear weapons program.
Hayabusa
Registered Member
Again, I am not going to speculate.
I can just tell you this, as I told the other guy, there was this JAEA site somewhere in Japan (I am not going to guess where it was as I forgot) and it got decommissioned in 1996, and they start transferring the fuel cake to Oak Ridge in the US and down-rich it from weapon grade into fuel grade Uranium (so from ~80% going back to 5%) and the process started from 2003 and only completed last year, it's the same process but reverse, and it's a lot more easier to downrich the Uranium than to continue enrich it.
And you are talking about 2 capable nuclear power with high degree of advance technology, doing the same stuff but in the opposite direction, and it take them 21 years, granted it's a intercontinental transfer and they probably do it safe to the max, so it's probably not going to take decade for Iran to do that, but it's not going to be year or years as well, and that is if we can assume Iranian technology is on par with the US or the Japanese.
While I find the article on diluting interesting. It is still a false equivalence and the argument does not hold. While I do not disagree that dilution is much easier, you have to remember as well that that project was spread across continents, involved inter-governmental agreements, IAEA oversight, shipping logistics, and safe handling over time, not urgency. Iran, by contrast, is likely operating in a tightly controlled, centralized, and high priority military-industrial context, potentially with far fewer procedural slowdowns.
Even if your theory holds true, then the only way U.S. intelligence could claim that Iran's nuclear program was set back by just a few months is either because the assessment is entirely fabricated, or because they have yet to uncover other clandestine facilities where enrichment may still be ongoing. The latter seems more aligned with US intelligence assessments based on Iran having the knowledge, expertise and even , infrastructure at black sites locations.
Psyko70
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Whole western block is in Iran working with Mossad. Mossad is not alone, if mossad and raw are there then there is CIA and KGB as well. Its Iran fault they chest thump so much that they had invited everyone to there home.
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