Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags101]

Iran need to revamp everything, except for their missile programme, of course.

No even their missile program everything the missiles definitely proved to be far more effective than they have in the past but it shows you they need to think up future methods for delivery and to production needs to go underground not in plain view of satellites

 

[Tamerlane]

Liberating the US from the Jews requires funding Liberal and Left-Leaning Gen Z who are shaken by images of genocide in Gaza.

Therefore, like it or not Muslims in America have to turn a blind eye to some Liberal beliefs if they want allies against Radical Evangelical Christians who are ruling America right now with an even more "Israel-first" attitude than Biden.

Sometimes we need to ally with someone even if we don't necessarily align with their core beliefs or state of being if we want to defeat a greater foe, this is just common sense.

Yes, any strategy to liberate America has to be based on pragmatism. It may require supporting a wide array of opposing factions, like white nationalists, leftist liberals, etc.

I think there’s huge awareness in the US of the malignant control of the Zionists.

 

[hasn2009]

Lol... What a slap in the face of Bibi's "victory", entire buildings were totally destroyed in Israel, damage that till now only they could inflict on enemies...first time they were looking same impact in own entity...

Trump actually said that he saved the entity, what is among his rarely true statements...
PR of Iran is on the top without Iranian asking for it ..

I wish we soon get more info from the military sites that were hit but were censored heavily

 

[LittleFish]

We badly need sanctions relief

Iran can tell the US that it will stop funding Lebanon and HZ in exchange for sanctions lifting

I personally don't care of Lebanon anymore, PMU can also be used as a bargaining chip

Iran badly needs liquidity, we need those dollars to buy military equipment

If you choose to buy ours, then dollars are not required. In fact, trade between Iran and China has long been going on without using dollars.

 

[PakAl]

Pakistanis are ridiculous people nobody thinks of them as lower class both historically and modern day but rather the opposite Pakistan is more advanced then majority today except maybe Turkey hence I find it weird that some of you say this shxt which is weird.

The People of IVC are considering one of the greatest people in both in ancient times and in the future. You will find them in prophecies no other communities make these prophecies and only the important ones and they certain are

Just stating the reality. Deny it all you want.

 

[SecularNationalist]

 

[SolarWarden]

It is a good thing that the Iranian air force did not sacrifice good experienced pilots in F4s to go up against F-15/16/35's. I suspect it will take less time for an experienced pilot to transition over. PAF pilots underwent this transition so they are aware of the overall training programme. Fighter tactics and war doctrine to use these new platforms overall may take longer than training pilots to operate the platform.

It took china 30 years to built a "modern" air force from their first purchase of Russian SU-27's. PAF already had decades of US training and tactics including fighters so Pakistan can buy fighters from non-western nations and won't take them long to integrate and are more than good enough to take on India's air force. PAF does more with less because of their western centric training and tactics.

Problem for Iran is even if they decided to only focus on having a modern-ish air force for past two decades and Russia happily sold them flankers it doesn't guarantee its air force can survive against IAF. You can see how competent the Russian air force is in Ukraine a nation with no air force.

 

[mangekyo]

 

[Ali_Baba]

But see now they have a problem. They have no place to start enriching again. You need huge expensive facilities to do that and those are the ones that aren't built under a mountain. You won't be able to hide it and you can bet whatever is being built will be hit. The days of waiting years and decades are over. Before the war Iran very likely had enough material to assemble 1-2 bombs but likely not in delivery mode. I don't know if some of the parts that were likely spread out throughout the country got hit by bombing.

True, but Iran has a lot of mountains and alot of experiencce of working with those mountains, and it took the USA 50% of its big bombs to make a dent on one location. Iran has ceased all co-operation with the IAEA, so trying to guess what Iran will do next is going to be a challenge. They could easily start working on 20 new underground sites, out of 2 of them will be real for nuclear and the rest for missile sites, etc Also, the Iranians will move their new infrastructure further east into inner iran making it difficult for anyone but the USA to get to. Iran will work out how its IADS was hacked and fix it and build a new airforce on top, so the freedom of movement in the air wont be there next time. How do you work that out given the IAEA cannot provide intelligence information to the USA and friends? It will take time, yes, eventually they will work it out but losing boots on the ground will be a big problem going forward.

 

[Shags101]

Well if china did decide to go ahead with it if they are even discussing it but they need dozens upon dozens of planes of all types air defenses as well even if china is selling at below cost to American weapons it’s going to take 10s of billions of dollars over the next several years

 

[KingQamaR]

The biggest obstacle is pilot training in my opinion. It's going to take 2-3 years to train a pilot for real combat.

For the short term Iran can hire retired PAF very experienced pilots ground crew, technicians etc to get your IAF off the ground. While you train your own people.

 

[Ali_Baba]

It took china 30 years to built a "modern" air force from their first purchase of Russian SU-27's. PAF already had decades of US training and tactics including fighters so Pakistan can buy fighters from non-western nations and won't take them long to integrate and are more than good enough to take on India's air force. PAF does more with less because of their western centric training and tactics.

Problem for Iran is even if they decided to only focus on having a modern-ish air force for past two decades and Russia happily sold them flankers it doesn't guarantee its air force can survive against IAF. You can see how competent the Russian air force is in Ukraine a nation with no air force.

True, but the Iranians are a smart and intelligent people, they can learn and adapt to new things. I have far more faith in the Iranian air force being able to learn to do the right thing than I do in the Indian air force. The human resource quality of the Iranian air force is a lot better. Iran is a very well educated country.

I agree that the Russians are useless both tactically aswell as their equipment, which is why I think Iran is better off looking at the J10CE. Much better platform and the advantage of being able to train with China(who spend lots on training, tactics) and of course the PAF.

 

[tsunset]

Since a lot of our AH-1J got destroyed during the war, Iran also needs attack helicopters, they also destroyed Chinooks

Z-10ME would be a nice purchase

It's time for Iran to retire the relics of the cold war

 

[ShapurII]

For the short term Iran can hire retired PAF very experienced pilots ground crew, technicians etc to get your IAF off the ground. While you train your own people.

I don't know. It's hard to count on foreigners to operate your air force for you.
A foreigner feels no patriotism or moral obligation to defend your country when shit hits the fan.
Do you think a foreign soldier would risk his life to fight for Iran against the Israeli Air Force? When the odds are against him.

 

[SolarWarden]

True, but Iran has a lot of mountains and alot of experiencce of working with those mountains, and it took the USA 50% of its big bombs to make a dent on one location. Iran has ceased all co-operation with the IAEA, so trying to guess what Iran will do next is going to be a challenge. They could easily start working on 20 new underground sites, out of 2 of them will be real. How do you work that out given the IAEA cannot provide intelligence information to the USA and friends? It will take time, yes, eventually they will work it out but losing boots on the ground will be a big problem going forward.

US (open sources) said to have had 50 GBU-57's it won't take long to built more.

And no it's not going to be easy to rebuilt it is very expensive to dig a hole inside a mountain which is why Iran didn't dig fake holes. Fake holes is not going to cut it.

The IAEA was not the one that discovered Fordow and what it was meant for it was US intelligence and Mossad. The moment Iran starts building facilities to enrich they will go buh-bye.