Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[muz]

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Some parts of his statements are true also why @Liquidator accuse me of being a Zionist?

 

[Bengal71]

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Some parts of his statements are true also why @Liquidator accuse me of being a Zionist?

So India provided great support to Iran?

 

[muz]

So India provided great support to Iran?

It was not about India really it called out Iranian hardcore fanbois/glazer who only see that Iran doing this or that to Israel overlooking they mess they create in our own country and when someone call Iran out for this kind stuff that person get labelled a zionist and mossad agent

 

[samejjangir]

I wish all the best for your aerospace industry, but do you consider Operation Sindoor a success?

This is what happened:
7-5-25: India decided to strike few surface targets from air to surface missiles in retaliation for Pakistani infiltrators attacking in Pahalgam. PAF detected it & got their planes in the skies. IAF were under strict orders to not attack PAF planes but only engage in limited surface strikes. PAF fired multiple salvos of BVR missiles at IAF jets once they detected missile launch, some of which hit IAF planes and 2-3 were downed.
Result: Stalemate (India lost planes while Pakistani ground target were destroyed)

8&9-5-25: India & Pakistan sent drones, surface-surface & air-surface missiles and performed threatening jet maneuvers with firing of BVR missiles. India intercepted almost all Pakistani missiles & drones with only some artillery & mortar (which are difficult to intercept) hitting India. But Pakistan was unable to intercept Indian missiles and multiple Pakistani bases were struck.
Result: Indian victory (No loss to India while multiple Pakistani bases hit)

India intentionally hit Pakistani bases with small intensity warheads to send a message about Indian capability but not cause panic by weakening Pakistani capability. This was mainly because of pressure of Middle east who don't want Pakistan weakened.

Arabs (Saudi Arabia and Iraq) export 5 million barrels per day. That's about half of the Chinese oil imports (excluding Iran figures which is confidential). It is nothing that Iran, Venezuela and Russia cannot compensate. In fact, before China switched sides, Iran used to be a major exporter of oil to China and in some years, Iran was the first exporter of oil to China. So, nothing will stop if Saudi Arabia or Iraq decides to stop the flow of oil to China. That invalidates your analysis.

GCC combined is a single unit for political purposes. Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar combined export 10MBpd but can boost their exports to 14MBpd if needed. (FYI, other exporters: Iraq- 3Mbpd, Iran-2MBpd, Russia- 6MBpd, Kazakhstan- 1.5MBpd, Canada- 1MBpd, Brazil- 0.9MBpd, Venezuela- 0.7MBpd.). Globally net exports of oil is only 44MBpd as other oil is internally produced & consumed. So, GCC amounts to 25% of oil exports, with potential to go upto 33%.

In 1974, GCC amounted to 50% of oil exports (Russia then had to feed its client states within USSR & its net export outside USSR was lesser) and Iraq & Iran combined were about 30%. Due to Iran-Iraq war & aftermath, Iraq & Iran lost control of oil, collapsing oil prices and even resulting in weakening of USSR due to availability of cheaper oil for its client states. Iraq has since then become a puppet of USA with complicity of GCC, further isolating Iran.

Had Iran not been fanatical and not waged a war with Iraq (USSR ally), then Iran & Iraq today along with Russia could have combined forces to counter the GCC & dolalr dominance. The very reason for the situation Iran finds itself in is because of its insane war against Iraq. It didn't make any political sense as Iranian grievance was with USA while Saddam hated USA & allied with USSR. Both Iran & Iraq never recovered till date. Even Russia's weakness (USSR collapse) today is due to the side-effect of Iran's war.

So, to answer you, Iran could have been a dominant force in oil had it not waged war with Iraq. But now it is too late & Iran is isolated. The GCC now gets to wield massive power by using west to subjugate oil rich Islamic countries like Libya, Iraq, Malaysia, Algeria etc in return for giving out oil investments & varying oil prices.

Had every oil producing country been more patient and reasonable like the GCC, the GCC would have wielded much less influence. But unfortunately, all other key oil producers in middle east are ruled by inflexible people. This is also why China & Russia don't try to take away GCC influence as GCC gives investments and has favourable & stable foreign policies unlike Iran which is arrogant & short sighted.

 

[Liquidator]

It was not about India really it called out Iranian hardcore fanbois/glazer who only see that Iran doing this or that to Israel overlooking they mess they create in our own country and when someone call Iran out for this kind stuff that person get labelled a zionist and mossad agent

When we need unity, when we need new alliances, a refocus, a shift in agendas and priorities something needs to give for the greater good.

So yes, I will call out anyone who aims to spread discord when we need the opposite the most....it benefits the enemies. You benefit the enemy so naturally one can assume you are one of them or a highly devious individual.

Stuff happened in the past. Look at Europe....thr English now holiday in Germany and joke about the war. However it seems people here are way too uncivilised to look at things strategically.

On top of that, you seem to enjoy posting videos and articles pertaining to Israeli terrorism in Iran.

 

[muz]

When we need unity, when we need new alliances, a refocus, a shift in agendas and priorities something needs to give for the greater good.

So yes, I will call out anyone who aims to spread discord when we need the opposite the most....it benefits the enemies. You benefit the enemy so naturally one can assume you are one of them or a highly devious individual.

Stuff happened in the past. Look at Europe....thr English now holiday in Germany and joke about the war. However it seems people here are way too uncivilised to look at things strategically.

On top of that, you seem to enjoy posting videos and articles pertaining to Israeli terrorism in Iran.

You can preach this to the dead Pakistani Labourers who work in Iran who gets killed for no reason at all and the Iranian does not do anything at all.

 

[Adam Barfy]

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So the Artesh is the one with the tanks, airforce and navy, and IRGC has the generals, rockets and missile arsenal.

Pretty much, but IRGC also has its own navy and airforce

 

[Adam Barfy]

Again, based on what? You're just pulling numbers out of thin air or what? Theres literally no evidence to suggest anything youre saying is true. Sounds like pure cope or government propaganda, like the 40 year promise to destroy Israel but not being able to last even 2 weeks lol. Hamas and Hezbollah ended up lasting longer and caused more pain and suffering to Israel that Iran was willing or able to do.

Speaking of cope…….

 

[Adam Barfy]

My own opinion is that in the long-term Islam will become more widespread in Europe, but through conversion, not immigration. In that case the majority will still be white Europeans. Calling it conquest plays into the hands of Islamophobes and should be avoided. As far as becoming a majority is concerned, it would require a miracle like the Second Coming of (a Muslim) Jesus Christ for that to happen.

That scenario may be a long way away in the future, beyond our lifetimes. Till then, Muslims need to work with what they have.

Actually will take 50-100 years.

Muslims tend to have more children than whites, so the population changes drastically over a couple of generations.

Whites are being outbred

 

[Master Chief]

and 2-3 were downed.
Result: Stalemate (India lost planes while Pakistani ground target were destroyed)

Just stop embarrassing yourself and your nation.

 

[samejjangir]

And actually that's the primary reason behind a ceasefire.
Trump is again playing a deception game. I bet they will soon strike iran again with new tactics. In the meanwhile iran must adress its shortcomings. Trump is with isreal ofcourse.
Iran must destroy the mosaad, RAW and CIA spy network inside iran and rebuild a latest and stronger air defence network ASAP.
As far as air force is concerned iran can have jets from China but after decades of almost a non existent airforce iran have no pilots that can perform good on modern jets. So pilot training will take lots of time.
But just a strong AD and hypersonic missiles are enough to counter isreal and US.

This is my take on why USA hit Iran:
Iran saw that they had no airforce or SAM & Israel could hit them at will. Most of Iranian military leaders were eliminated. Most of Iranian nuclear centrifuges would have been destroyed due to direct hits or electrical disruptions. Even fordow could have been hit repeatedly at the entrance and power supplies to disable it. Iranian regime leadership were also exposed in the open with no defence. Iran could lob few missiles but Israel will intercept most with its air defence and its military targets are unlikely to be hit too hard. Iran also lack key satellite targeting data that Israel has & can't have as accurate strikes. There was no way they could come out of it winning.

So, a ceasefire had to be reached. But Iran could never seen to be surrendering to Israel and abandoning their nuclear program under Israeli threat as that would send it to diplomatic irrelevance. So, the best option was to ask USA to do a predecided strike on its nuclear facilities, thereby showing that it had no choice but to close down its nuclear program as all its facilities were destroyed. Also it gives an appearance to be surrendering against USA, a superpower, instead of Israel, a tiny country.

So, USA striking Iran was likely a joint decision under Iranian request so as to arrive at a ceasefire with greater dignity while giving a valid excuse for abandoning nuclear program.

 

[ShapurII]

You can preach this to the dead Pakistani Labourers who work in Iran who gets killed for no reason at all and the Iranian does not do anything at all.
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Pakistani laborers who work in Iran who get killed for no reason at all?

Are you sure you're not talking about the Emirates, Saudi Arabia or Qatar?

I mean in all the years I have lived in Iran, I have met only two Pakistani people in Iran in my entire life. Both of them worked in the IT sector for a famous Iranian startup and were quite happy with their salaries (about $2K per month, nearly 50%-75% more than a senior role in the IT sector for an Iranian employee) and they were quite satisfied about living with Iranians.

 

[Adam Barfy]

I never said they didnt feel any pain, why bother claiming this point when its obviously false? Their pain tolerance threshold is extremely low, we already saw that with the previous wars with Hezbollah, they can't take much casualties before retreating. And both sides wanted the cease fire, it wasnt just Israel, Iran clearly wanted it too, if they didnt, they would've kept going and never agreed to it so quickly, look at all the weak statements the president was making, its obvious they were pleading for a cease fire and return to diplomacy lol.

The fact of the matter is, they inflicted way more damage on Iranian leadership, military, infrastructure and peoples than the other way around, but after destroying the nuclear program, they realized they wont be able to achieve regime change entirely, and they'll have to deal with a constant barrage of 20-30 missiles a day which comes at big economic cost to them and disrupts their cozy life they're accustomed to, so they decided to end it, and Iran was more than happy to oblige.

Most people read it that Iran was hit very hard on the first day and was slowly getting its shit together.
Israel ran out of ideas and time.

Iran was prepared for a much longer war.

You claim Iran’s nuclear ambitions are done, when there’s at least 2 more sites under other mountains not even discussed.

Wait and see who came out of this better. We simply don’t know yet.

 

[Adam Barfy]

This is my take on why USA hit Iran:
Iran saw that they had no airforce or SAM & Israel could hit them at will. Most of Iranian military leaders were eliminated. Most of Iranian nuclear centrifuges would have been destroyed due to direct hits or electrical disruptions. Even fordow could have been hit repeatedly at the entrance and power supplies to disable it. Iranian regime leadership were also exposed in the open with no defence. Iran could lob few missiles but Israel will intercept most with its air defence and its military targets are unlikely to be hit too hard. Iran also lack key satellite targeting data that Israel has & can't have as accurate strikes. There was no way they could come out of it winning.

So, a ceasefire had to be reached. But Iran could never seen to be surrendering to Israel and abandoning their nuclear program under Israeli threat as that would send it to diplomatic irrelevance. So, the best option was to ask USA to do a predecided strike on its nuclear facilities, thereby showing that it had no choice but to close down its nuclear program as all its facilities were destroyed. Also it gives an appearance to be surrendering against USA, a superpower, instead of Israel, a tiny country.

So, USA striking Iran was likely a joint decision under Iranian request so as to arrive at a ceasefire with greater dignity while giving a valid excuse for abandoning nuclear program.

What?? You’re living in a fantasyland

 

[Adam Barfy]

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It’s called diplomacy. Maybe Pakistan got one too