Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

It was not about India really it called out Iranian hardcore fanbois/glazer who only see that Iran doing this or that to Israel overlooking they mess they create in our own country and when someone call Iran out for this kind stuff that person get labelled a zionist and mossad agent

When we need unity, when we need new alliances, a refocus, a shift in agendas and priorities something needs to give for the greater good.

So yes, I will call out anyone who aims to spread discord when we need the opposite the most....it benefits the enemies. You benefit the enemy so naturally one can assume you are one of them or a highly devious individual.

Stuff happened in the past. Look at Europe....thr English now holiday in Germany and joke about the war. However it seems people here are way too uncivilised to look at things strategically.

On top of that, you seem to enjoy posting videos and articles pertaining to Israeli terrorism in Iran.

 

[muz]

When we need unity, when we need new alliances, a refocus, a shift in agendas and priorities something needs to give for the greater good.

So yes, I will call out anyone who aims to spread discord when we need the opposite the most....it benefits the enemies. You benefit the enemy so naturally one can assume you are one of them or a highly devious individual.

Stuff happened in the past. Look at Europe....thr English now holiday in Germany and joke about the war. However it seems people here are way too uncivilised to look at things strategically.

On top of that, you seem to enjoy posting videos and articles pertaining to Israeli terrorism in Iran.

You can preach this to the dead Pakistani Labourers who work in Iran who gets killed for no reason at all and the Iranian does not do anything at all.

 

[Adam Barfy]

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So the Artesh is the one with the tanks, airforce and navy, and IRGC has the generals, rockets and missile arsenal.

Pretty much, but IRGC also has its own navy and airforce

 

[Adam Barfy]

Again, based on what? You're just pulling numbers out of thin air or what? Theres literally no evidence to suggest anything youre saying is true. Sounds like pure cope or government propaganda, like the 40 year promise to destroy Israel but not being able to last even 2 weeks lol. Hamas and Hezbollah ended up lasting longer and caused more pain and suffering to Israel that Iran was willing or able to do.

Speaking of cope…….

 

[Adam Barfy]

My own opinion is that in the long-term Islam will become more widespread in Europe, but through conversion, not immigration. In that case the majority will still be white Europeans. Calling it conquest plays into the hands of Islamophobes and should be avoided. As far as becoming a majority is concerned, it would require a miracle like the Second Coming of (a Muslim) Jesus Christ for that to happen.

That scenario may be a long way away in the future, beyond our lifetimes. Till then, Muslims need to work with what they have.

Actually will take 50-100 years.

Muslims tend to have more children than whites, so the population changes drastically over a couple of generations.

Whites are being outbred

 

[Master Chief]

and 2-3 were downed.
Result: Stalemate (India lost planes while Pakistani ground target were destroyed)

Just stop embarrassing yourself and your nation.

 

[samejjangir]

And actually that's the primary reason behind a ceasefire.
Trump is again playing a deception game. I bet they will soon strike iran again with new tactics. In the meanwhile iran must adress its shortcomings. Trump is with isreal ofcourse.
Iran must destroy the mosaad, RAW and CIA spy network inside iran and rebuild a latest and stronger air defence network ASAP.
As far as air force is concerned iran can have jets from China but after decades of almost a non existent airforce iran have no pilots that can perform good on modern jets. So pilot training will take lots of time.
But just a strong AD and hypersonic missiles are enough to counter isreal and US.

This is my take on why USA hit Iran:
Iran saw that they had no airforce or SAM & Israel could hit them at will. Most of Iranian military leaders were eliminated. Most of Iranian nuclear centrifuges would have been destroyed due to direct hits or electrical disruptions. Even fordow could have been hit repeatedly at the entrance and power supplies to disable it. Iranian regime leadership were also exposed in the open with no defence. Iran could lob few missiles but Israel will intercept most with its air defence and its military targets are unlikely to be hit too hard. Iran also lack key satellite targeting data that Israel has & can't have as accurate strikes. There was no way they could come out of it winning.

So, a ceasefire had to be reached. But Iran could never seen to be surrendering to Israel and abandoning their nuclear program under Israeli threat as that would send it to diplomatic irrelevance. So, the best option was to ask USA to do a predecided strike on its nuclear facilities, thereby showing that it had no choice but to close down its nuclear program as all its facilities were destroyed. Also it gives an appearance to be surrendering against USA, a superpower, instead of Israel, a tiny country.

So, USA striking Iran was likely a joint decision under Iranian request so as to arrive at a ceasefire with greater dignity while giving a valid excuse for abandoning nuclear program.

 

[ShapurII]

You can preach this to the dead Pakistani Labourers who work in Iran who gets killed for no reason at all and the Iranian does not do anything at all.
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Pakistani laborers who work in Iran who get killed for no reason at all?

Are you sure you're not talking about the Emirates, Saudi Arabia or Qatar?

I mean in all the years I have lived in Iran, I have met only two Pakistani people in Iran in my entire life. Both of them worked in the IT sector for a famous Iranian startup and were quite happy with their salaries (about $2K per month, nearly 50%-75% more than a senior role in the IT sector for an Iranian employee) and they were quite satisfied about living with Iranians.

 

[Adam Barfy]

I never said they didnt feel any pain, why bother claiming this point when its obviously false? Their pain tolerance threshold is extremely low, we already saw that with the previous wars with Hezbollah, they can't take much casualties before retreating. And both sides wanted the cease fire, it wasnt just Israel, Iran clearly wanted it too, if they didnt, they would've kept going and never agreed to it so quickly, look at all the weak statements the president was making, its obvious they were pleading for a cease fire and return to diplomacy lol.

The fact of the matter is, they inflicted way more damage on Iranian leadership, military, infrastructure and peoples than the other way around, but after destroying the nuclear program, they realized they wont be able to achieve regime change entirely, and they'll have to deal with a constant barrage of 20-30 missiles a day which comes at big economic cost to them and disrupts their cozy life they're accustomed to, so they decided to end it, and Iran was more than happy to oblige.

Most people read it that Iran was hit very hard on the first day and was slowly getting its shit together.
Israel ran out of ideas and time.

Iran was prepared for a much longer war.

You claim Iran’s nuclear ambitions are done, when there’s at least 2 more sites under other mountains not even discussed.

Wait and see who came out of this better. We simply don’t know yet.

 

[Adam Barfy]

This is my take on why USA hit Iran:
Iran saw that they had no airforce or SAM & Israel could hit them at will. Most of Iranian military leaders were eliminated. Most of Iranian nuclear centrifuges would have been destroyed due to direct hits or electrical disruptions. Even fordow could have been hit repeatedly at the entrance and power supplies to disable it. Iranian regime leadership were also exposed in the open with no defence. Iran could lob few missiles but Israel will intercept most with its air defence and its military targets are unlikely to be hit too hard. Iran also lack key satellite targeting data that Israel has & can't have as accurate strikes. There was no way they could come out of it winning.

So, a ceasefire had to be reached. But Iran could never seen to be surrendering to Israel and abandoning their nuclear program under Israeli threat as that would send it to diplomatic irrelevance. So, the best option was to ask USA to do a predecided strike on its nuclear facilities, thereby showing that it had no choice but to close down its nuclear program as all its facilities were destroyed. Also it gives an appearance to be surrendering against USA, a superpower, instead of Israel, a tiny country.

So, USA striking Iran was likely a joint decision under Iranian request so as to arrive at a ceasefire with greater dignity while giving a valid excuse for abandoning nuclear program.

What?? You’re living in a fantasyland

 

[Adam Barfy]

It’s called diplomacy. Maybe Pakistan got one too

 

[muz]

Pakistani laborers who work in Iran who get killed for no reason at all?

Are you sure you're not talking about the Emirates, Saudi Arabia or Qatar?

I mean in all the years I have lived in Iran, I have met only two Pakistani people in Iran in my entire life. Both of them worked in the IT sector for a famous Iranian startup and were quite happy with their salaries (about $2K per month, nearly 50%-75% more than a senior role in the IT sector for an Iranian employee) and they were quite satisfied about living with Iranians.

Eight Pakistanis killed in Iran’s Sistan-Baluchestan

All victims hailed from Bahawalpur, worked at car repair shop.

www.dawn.com

Gunmen kill 9 people in Iran near border with Pakistan

An Iranian news outlet says unknown gunmen have shot to death nine people in the southeastern part of Iran that borders Pakistan.

apnews.com

 

[samejjangir]

What?? You’re living in a fantasyland

Can you really give a solid counter argument to state why my theory is not practical or feasible? I may have stated unconventional things but all of them are very much feasible, especially in a world of deception and showmanships.

 

[ShapurII]

Eight Pakistanis killed in Iran’s Sistan-Baluchestan

All victims hailed from Bahawalpur, worked at car repair shop.

www.dawn.com

Gunmen kill 9 people in Iran near border with Pakistan

An Iranian news outlet says unknown gunmen have shot to death nine people in the southeastern part of Iran that borders Pakistan.

apnews.com

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Pakistani laborers killed near Pakistan border by unknown armed men. Not suspicious at all. I'm sure it has nothing to do with your intelligence services or separatists Try again:

A spokesman for the banned Balochistan National Army (BNA) through a statement issued to the media has claimed responsibility for the killing of eight Pakistanis.

 

[FHN]

Infographic of Iranian strikes on Israeli targets during the 12-day war

The strategic objectives of Iran's attacks include:

• Jalil Base - Northern Military Base • Haifa Port • Haifa Power Plant • Haifa Refinery • Ternov Air Base • Mossad Headquarters • Kilyia Base - Military Command Headquarters • Kiyat Gat Industrial City - Technology and Chip Manufacturing Center • Israel Ministry of Defense Command and Control Center • Rafael Company - Defense System Supplier • Hadar Power Plant - One of the largest power stations in Israel • Ben Gurion Airport • Weizmann Institute of Science • Negev Nuclear Research Center • Nevatim Air Base • Ovda Air Base • Unit 8200 - Cyber Operations Intelligence Headquarters