Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Nuffle]

Let's suppose we have imported 300 units of latest version of SU35. Let's again suppose we defeated F-22, F-18, F-16, F-15, French Rafales, British Eurofighters and Typhoons over Jordan, Iraq and Syria.

How are you going to pass through patriots, THAAD plus Israeli, German gifted, European gifted Air defense systems in Israel?

Fighter jets are good to defend skies and also monitoring airspace to avoid being surprised. Problem is that the opponent uses stealth technology.

Until we don't have a stealth jet fully built locally, we cannot waste resources on Russian inferior jets. Not even Chinese jets can help us in this case. China won't sell J-20 or 35. So forget about imports.

We need a local 5th generation jet which can be manufactured at will. And it takes time.

Dude, no country would be able to defend itself against an attack of this scope, you are considering that everyone is going all out against Iran, so, in this way, the best way for Iran to defend itself is to obtain its nuclear bomb, because only that would make deterrence have an effect on these imperialist desires, that's what the DPRK did and until now it has not been invaded.

 

[Maarkhoor]

 

[Nuffle]

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Which basically proves the "new normal" today:

1. Nuclear weapons are only useful if they can be delivered on target with 100% assurance of penetration of enemy air defenses, This was the situation from 1950-1990 when both the Soviet Union, USA and NATO-Warsaw Pact nuclear ballistic and cruise missiles could penetrate enemy defenses. This was Mutually Assured Destruction.
2. In 2025, nuclear weapons have been rendered largely in effective because conventionally inferior non-Western powers ( Russia, China, Pakistan) have no ability to deliver nuclear weapons past the missile defenses of enemy nations. Also their own missile defenses are weak as has been seen in the Ukrainian-Russian war and the India Pakistan skirmish.
3. The option to use nuclear weapons lies solely in the Western camp, USA, NATO, Israel and India. Ironically given the immense conventional weapons superiority these countries enjoy over their adversaries, they have no need to use nuclear weapons. Additionally, given their advanced global strike capabilities Western powers can take out all potential nuclear threats whenever convenient.

It may be premature to say this, but the nuclear weapons era seems to be effectively over.

So why don't they do what they did with Iran and attack the DPRK and denuclearize Kim?

 

[Bengal71]

Regardless of the nukes debate, It is just too odd that a nation with many scientists and highly intelligent people have a religious cleric as the Supreme Leader who can veto the most rational, consensus based policies of the govt.
But their country, their system. Just sayin'

Religious leadership isn't as bad as we think, it's certainly better than the hodge podge of systems we have in the Islamic world.

If Khamenei doesn't have the veto power and everything is left for the government to decide, then soon enough they will move towards dysfunctional and corrupt democracies we have in some parts of the Islamic world. Kanemenei here as a religious leader acts as the guardian.

With that said, I am not sure how solve this problem.

 

[Persian Gulf]

131 missiles failed?

or intercepted before they reached Israel ? 20% doesn't sound too high for that.

 

[Persian Gulf]

this might be video from first use of Qasem Basir missile with EO sensor!

@ShapurII

 

[Lulldapull]

h

Which basically proves the "new normal" today:

1. Nuclear weapons are only useful if they can be delivered on target with 100% assurance of penetration of enemy air defenses, This was the situation from 1950-1990 when both the Soviet Union, USA and NATO-Warsaw Pact nuclear ballistic and cruise missiles could penetrate enemy defenses. This was Mutually Assured Destruction.
2. In 2025, nuclear weapons have been rendered largely in effective because conventionally inferior non-Western powers ( Russia, China, Pakistan) have no ability to deliver nuclear weapons past the missile defenses of enemy nations. Also their own missile defenses are weak as has been seen in the Ukrainian-Russian war and the India Pakistan skirmish.
3. The option to use nuclear weapons lies solely in the Western camp, USA, NATO, Israel and India. Ironically given the immense conventional weapons superiority these countries enjoy over their adversaries, they have no need to use nuclear weapons. Additionally, given their advanced global strike capabilities Western powers can take out all potential nuclear threats whenever convenient.

It may be premature to say this, but the nuclear weapons era seems to be effectively over.

No shit…….you can have 10 or a 1000……if yous can’t deliver em and beat the western defenses (like Iran punk’d them daily) in israel……what good are they no?

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Nuffle]

this might be video from first use of Qasem Basir missile with EO sensor!

@ShapurII

Is he a MaRV with EO?

 

[Lulldapull]

So why don't they do what they did with Iran and attack the DPRK and denuclearize Kim?

They can do it quick if they wanted to. North Korea is practically nekkid no? Like a little child against an adult. It’s too easy no?

SK will quickly invade and end the drama in no time.

Irans huge in area and resources, with tens of thousands of missiles and drones that’s why Israel’s failed and got beaten, but we’ve also seen NK weaponry in Russia/Ukraine and its primitive.

 

[Adam Barfy]

These are the KIA from Iranian AD troops

Learn some lessons from their deaths, Iran.

 

[vmro]

I hope Iranians are wide awake, missiles loaded, and air defenses repaired or replenished. The synagogue of Satan salivates when they spill the blood of the innocent. The vicious snakes are setting the stage for part two.

Why have we not seen the satellite images of the military installations? Even Iran's satellites should be able to take some photos.

Because hits like this one are far more damaging than attacking their military facilities, totally addicted to usa military support...

From heart tissue to DNA samples, Weizmann scientists mourn work vaporized in Iran attack

Some 45 labs in the prestigious sciences center were damaged and might take years -- and tens of millions -- to rebuild. Multiple researchers lost their life's work

www.timesofisrael.com

From heart tissue to DNA samples, Weizmann scientists mourn work vaporized in Iran attack
Some 45 labs in the prestigious sciences center were damaged and might take years — and tens of millions — to rebuild. Multiple researchers lost their life’s work

Here's a different interpretation:
We know that Iran has launched about 550 missiles. So, if Israel is confessing that 500 missiles reached Israel, 90% of our missiles have reached the territory of Israel, of which only 221 missiles have been intercepted, i.e. 44% interception rate.

Maybe is around 50-60%, what is realistic number of solid AD system network...
Their S/F stories about 90% to 99
9% interception success are laughingstock after minute watching real-world Iranian bombing of the entity...

That's simply too much for their modest chin...

 

[StrategicBear]

Increasing the range of missiles to be fired from further away should also be a consideration, opting for a large and large IRBM force.

Which would mean a higher cost... for deployment of 3000km+ range IRBMs that can be fired from silos or TELs near the Afghan or Pak borders....

 

[Homajon]

DU in itself is not that radioactive but it could definitely be an environmental hazard if it's used in a populated area. It could cause health issues if DU particles are indigested or inhaled.

Maybe that's why they were used, even in a non-populated area but in an industrial area, although with protective suits that's not a problem. But can DU contaminate devices in a way that they cannot be used again?

 

[Nuffle]

They can do it quick if they wanted to. North Korea is practically nekkid no? Like a little child against an adult. It’s too easy no?

SK will quickly invade and end the drama in no time.

Irans huge in area and resources, that’s why Israel’s failed……but we seen NK weaponry in Russia/Ukraine and its primitive.

They want to but they can't