Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

Russia gets attacked daily bhai. What nukes man?

Legacy weapons now no?

When discussing, there are arguments for and arguments against a certain position. The position you take is justified when you:

- validate the arguments for and against.
- assess those validated arguments, and demonstrate why one outweighs the other.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why did the video go off prematurely? Was it intercepted?

possible but unlikely at that stage. sometimes it just cuts off early as the speed increases. we saw a similar thing with Hezbollah using Almas ATGMs, those definitely were not intercepted.

 

[tsunset]

Let's suppose we have imported 300 units of latest version of SU35. Let's again suppose we defeated F-22, F-18, F-16, F-15, French Rafales, British Eurofighters and Typhoons over Jordan, Iraq and Syria.

How are you going to pass through patriots, THAAD plus Israeli, German gifted, European gifted Air defense systems in Israel?

Fighter jets are good to defend skies and also monitoring airspace to avoid being surprised. Problem is that the opponent uses stealth technology.

Until we don't have a stealth jet fully built locally, we cannot waste resources on Russian inferior jets. Not even Chinese jets can help us in this case. China won't sell J-20 or 35. So forget about imports.

We need a local 5th generation jet which can be manufactured at will. And it takes time.

First and most important mission is to expel illegal refugees to the last one. And arresting all the American and European spies inside the country. Closure of European embassies must be on the table too. What benefit we receive from that? Use the psiphon on Europeans



Looks like after offering a thanks, you see a lion in the mirror.

Learn to take a thanks. Its not because we cannot do something, it's exactly vise versa.

We know well how to rebuke Ilham lady.

We need a local 5th generation jet which can be manufactured at will. And it takes time.

Are you working for Israel and the US?

Everyone here talking about Kowsar-4 or F-4SuperSM++ with F-14AM block IV should be temporarily banned for wanting Iran to get bombed without resistance

We need J-10CE, JF-17 and KJ-500

Even getting J-5 and Su-7 or mig-15 from North Korea would help Iran more in defending itself than Kowsar stuck in abandoned production line

 

[Lulldapull]

When discussing, there are arguments for and arguments against a certain position. The position you take is justified when you:

- validate the arguments for and against.
- assess those validated arguments, and demonstrate why one outweighs the other.

We don’t understand what validation yous after bhai. Russia has 6000 nuclear warheads. 1700 of them are mounted on ICBMs/IRBMs. Yet they are attacked daily by a US/Nato proxy.

 

[muhammed45]

can't believe you're still shoveling this bullshit after it has been thoroughly explained times and times again for months, and we have seen that every bit of that analysis was accurate in this war.

You don't need to fly over Jordan or Syria to hit Israel. You just need to establish a buffer over Iraqi airspace that keeps Israelis away from firing range to hit deep inside our territory with ALBMs/ALCMs with complete immunity. We lost air superiority over our territory in less than 24 hours. Sure, Israelis weren't freely operating over our sky due to technical reasons, but they did establish air superiority. It's humiliating

Your mistake is that you think we can establish a buffer over Iraq. No we can't because American, French and British airforce are present there.

We can do what you suggest, but its not possible before razing US bases in Qatar, Turkey and Bahrain to the ground. Americans guide USN's air operations from those countries.

Your second mistake is that you think it's only Israeli airforce. Nope, Americans and Europeans combined can fly 250+ jets over Iraq simultaneously.
Israel is just front line and a garrison of west.

That will never happen. We cannot even mass-produce Kowsar locally. Iran does not have the capability to build a modern jet fighter. It's a proven fact. We need to import jet fighters.

If Iran cannot build an air force, it's better to surrender and normalize our ties with the US and stop picking a fight with Israel. Israel has claimed 1,000 sorties over Iran. If we assume a load of 7,000 kg of bombs in each sortie, just imagine how much fire power they have had this round alone. We needed to fire at least +4,000 Sejjil or Khorramshahr missiles to demonstrate the same amount of fire power. If we also consider a conservative interception rate of 40%, we needed to fire over 6,000 missiles for a similar fire power.

Don't deceive yourself by false thoughts. We don't mass produce Kowsar because we don't want it. Even Sukhoi import was just a fill the gap game. We ďont even want mass imported items. Because of the economic burden. Russia wants to throw billions worth garbages at us and we refuse it. That's why they don't give us the fill the gap opportunity. Look at Russian perspective from a businessman's pov. They want to earn billions, we don't allow it.

The rest is Israeli claims. Don't believe what comes out of their filthy mouth.

Never gonna happen. I mean it may happen at some distant point in future, but by that time, gen. 5 jet fighters will belong to museums.

Then we have to drop mass production and go for the next generation to possess the edge. We are a sanctioned economy, we need something that gets the job done not whatever we can make or import.

 

[muhammed45]

We don’t understand what validation yous after bhai. Russia has 6000 nuclear warheads. 1700 of them are mounted on ICBMs/IRBMs. Yet they are attacked daily by a US/Nato proxy.

Indeed . . .

 

[maverick]

Because hits like this one are far more damaging than attacking their military facilities, totally addicted to usa military support...

From heart tissue to DNA samples, Weizmann scientists mourn work vaporized in Iran attack

Some 45 labs in the prestigious sciences center were damaged and might take years -- and tens of millions -- to rebuild. Multiple researchers lost their life's work

www.timesofisrael.com

From heart tissue to DNA samples, Weizmann scientists mourn work vaporized in Iran attack
Some 45 labs in the prestigious sciences center were damaged and might take years — and tens of millions — to rebuild. Multiple researchers lost their life’s work

Maybe is around 50-60%, what is realistic number of solid AD system network...
Their S/F stories about 90% to 99
9% interception success are laughingstock after minute watching real-world Iranian bombing of the entity...

That's simply too much for their modest chin...

israel killed iranian researchers, iran returned the favor to them

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Which basically proves the "new normal" today:

1. Nuclear weapons are only useful if they can be delivered on target with 100% assurance of penetration of enemy air defenses, This was the situation from 1950-1990 when both the Soviet Union, USA and NATO-Warsaw Pact nuclear ballistic and cruise missiles could penetrate enemy defenses. This was Mutually Assured Destruction.
2. In 2025, nuclear weapons have been rendered largely in effective because conventionally inferior non-Western powers ( Russia, China, Pakistan) have no ability to deliver nuclear weapons past the missile defenses of enemy nations. Also their own missile defenses are weak as has been seen in the Ukrainian-Russian war and the India Pakistan skirmish.
3. The option to use nuclear weapons lies solely in the Western camp, USA, NATO, Israel and India. Ironically given the immense conventional weapons superiority these countries enjoy over their adversaries, they have no need to use nuclear weapons. Additionally, given their advanced global strike capabilities Western powers can take out all potential nuclear threats whenever convenient.

It may be premature to say this, but the nuclear weapons era seems to be effectively over.

This is a remarkably bad analysis. We have just seen that you can deliver nukes on missiles through western missile defenses. Also existence of nuclear tipped USVs means every coastal city will get nuked in the event of a nuclear war.

 

[Lulldapull]

Indeed . . .

And people here think Su-35s will be helpful in stopping Mach-3 aero ballistic missile volleys which are parabolic in trajectory…….

Russia gets attacked daily by scalps and Israeli type rampage/ blue horizons and hammers, and Su-35’s are totally useless.

 

[vmro]

In my humble opinion , next steps for iran should be:

1- Investigate, track and cleanup the country of foreign agents, spies. Ramp up security policies and severly punish corruption

2- Expel foreigners, jail criminal gangs and bandits, show examplar punishment to the public

3- Move military and related industrial assets in safe locations

4- rebuild key defence infra and assets, especially radars and SAMs, but also decoys, EW tools, destroyed military camps/stations

5- resume high speed production of missiles and SAMs

6- buy key systems from China in order to speed up rearmament, especially jets, missiles and ADS

By far most important task is large arsenal of this nightmarish missiles and ensuring their functioning in eventual next round, this round left them with bloody nose, next is... no longer obstacles to ruin its face look to be comparable to Gaza face-look...entirely...
They will cry after few days

 

[Meengla]

Let's suppose we have imported 300 units of latest version of SU35. Let's again suppose we defeated F-22, F-18, F-16, F-15, French Rafales, British Eurofighters and Typhoons over Jordan, Iraq and Syria.
How are you going to pass through patriots, THAAD plus Israeli, German gifted, European gifted Air defense systems in Israel?

Right.
Iran was wise not to waste resources on expensive fighter jets. Resources are not unlimited, especially for a country like Iran with sanctions going to almost half a century.

First and most important mission is to expel illegal refugees to the last one. And arresting all the American and European spies inside the country. Closure of European embassies must be on the table too. What benefit we receive from that? Use the psiphon on Europeans

Anywhere there is a Western embassy, there is potentially a CIA presence and what CIA has, Mossad can also have. And it is not just Western embassies: South Korea and India are strategic Western allies. India, as a state, doesn't have any reason to be against Iran but India has significant Mossad presence and allowing India too much access in Iran is not advised.

h

Which basically proves the "new normal" today:

1. Nuclear weapons are only useful if they can be delivered on target with 100% assurance of penetration of enemy air defenses, This was the situation from 1950-1990 when both the Soviet Union, USA and NATO-Warsaw Pact nuclear ballistic and cruise missiles could penetrate enemy defenses. This was Mutually Assured Destruction.
2. In 2025, nuclear weapons have been rendered largely in effective because conventionally inferior non-Western powers ( Russia, China, Pakistan) have no ability to deliver nuclear weapons past the missile defenses of enemy nations. Also their own missile defenses are weak as has been seen in the Ukrainian-Russian war and the India Pakistan skirmish.
3. The option to use nuclear weapons lies solely in the Western camp, USA, NATO, Israel and India. Ironically given the immense conventional weapons superiority these countries enjoy over their adversaries, they have no need to use nuclear weapons. Additionally, given their advanced global strike capabilities Western powers can take out all potential nuclear threats whenever convenient.

It may be premature to say this, but the nuclear weapons era seems to be effectively over.

Some good points but not totally on the mark.
1) Pakistani nukes, if launched, can certainly strike many places in India. Geographic proximity makes it possible.
2) While there is some merit that 100% assurance factor is needed, the risk that in case of a multiple launch of nukes, even 1 makes it would be one too many. And hence the deterrence exists.
3) I believe Russia is not carpet bombed by NATO because Russia can destroy all NATO countries using nukes. Had there been no Russian nukes, Americans would watch from a safe distance Russia pummeled.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't understand this. Why is then natural uranium not dangerous when it has 0.7% concentration? Is it because it doesn't flow freely in the air?

It's because U-235 is almost 7 times more radioactive than U-238. So, radiation is not its major health risk when it's not inhaled or indigested. And it's not radioactive enough to interfere with the electronics in a device.

The real risk is when it's aerosolized into fine particles in the air after a DU bomb hits a hardened building. The fine particles can settle on soil, or get indigested or inhaled by people nearby. Then it can pose long-term health conditions to the population.

 

[Nuffle]

The DPRK is no threat to nobody man…….attacking em even is a total waste of resources. No need to kill poor people man. They’re harmless, minding their own business.

And were the Iranians a threat by any chance? They attack with advance warning to the enemy.

 

[Lulldapull]

And were the Iranians a threat by any chance? They attack with advance warning to the enemy.

Yes, Iran threatens Israel. DPRK threatens nobody.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Neither China nor Russia is thinking about anything other than appeasing the United States; they will never sell useful weapons to Iran.
North Korea was in the same position. However, without making excuses, they have developed everything themselves, from nuclear weapons to giant drones and large submarines. At the same time, they have placed all their bases underground. Despite being a poor, small country with no resources and a population of only 20 million.
Iran lacks only the resolve of its leaders.
That is the root cause of all its weakness.