Frustrated Google employee wants to quit as half of his teammates are Indians

[Hamartia Antidote]

They're not cheap.

I have worked in financial

Been in the financial sector since 2005 after giving up on working long hours in IT startups that mostly fizzled. At least in the financial sector their primary business is not selling software for revenue generation. This made things far more stable.

Hmm...now that i think of it the "fizzle thing" may explain the whole Indian flood. Too many people got discouraged and left.

and other industries which pay well above average, and these companies are flooded with Indians. As I mentioned above, as long as the company hires competent people in the top 20% that matter, the middle and bottom 80% can be flooded with Indians without noticeable damage. In top companies, even that 80% pays extremely well.

IT pays well no matter what excuse people give.

 

[Developereo]

in the financial sector their primary business is not selling software for revenue generation.

Had a friend who worked for Deutsche Bank in Manhattan. He said his team had a budget of $30 million just to play around with new technologies and stay ahead of the curve so they could recommend architectural directions for the rest of the Bank.

Didn't have to produce any products; just proof of concepts and technology recommendations.

 

[r3alist]

@Watandar

But Pakistanis....sadly they are lone wolves.

Pakistanis are martial race people. Martial race people are by nature lone wolves.

Regards

Perhaps consider how Indians relatively make pakistani's look and feel like they have superior marital prowess, smaller country etc

@arjunk mian,

It's now a battle between American people who want to preserve their social fabric and socially retarded tech elites who want to flood the country with Indians to cut costs and increase profits

Let's hope the second faction wins out.

Regards

If the second wins out, then what first world countries will Indians aspire to settle into?
Or rather just be content everyone else is a bit more third world?

 

[Developereo]

My point is, they'll pay them less than they'll pay someone with a passport of that country who has equivalent skill sets.

I've worked with Infosys and TCS, I don't doubt the technical ability of some of these guys or the work ethic, but I've worked with plenty of English guys just as technical and just as hardworking. I've been in tech 20 years. Burnt plenty of midnight oil and weekends - but only as an exception and not as the norm.

If you're staff are regularly working late, either they're incapable of doing things on time, or you're constantly underestimating and under resourcing projects.

Indian (or other) consulting companies may take advantage of people on a work visa, but no name brand quality Western company will discriminate in such a way.

I never said that working long hours was a desirable thing. This is something you have injected. I was talking whether people have the skills they claimed on their resume.

 

[r3alist]

Once one gets into a hiring position, you're cooked.

Also big companies are happy to hire them because they're cheap. We're going to see it in the UK now.

It's already making right-wing news, you see the problem is all of the jobs mostly are in the southeast of England, and more so London.

England really has capacity issues, especially in the south

A lot of parents I hear have paid for expensive education for their kids and then find out the job opportunities even for average to good jobs are tough...

 

[kambhakt]

Nature is a cruel mistress. She does not tolerate substandard practices. Companies where meritocracy rules will gradually win over those that cater to nepotism in whatever form.

As I mentioned, 20% of the workforce in any company is the driving engine, 60% are generic grunts, and 20% are the drag. Right now, American companies are smart enough to let merit dominate that crucial top 20%. Indians have flooded the middle and bottom 80% so the impact of Indian nepotism is limited. If Indians start to saturate the top 20%, then those companies will perish.

The article said "My pillar up to the VP is only 3% Americans"

That does not look like the 80% middle and bottom level. It looks like from top to bottom.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Had a friend who worked for Deutsche Bank in Manhattan. He said his team had a budget of $30 million just to play around with new technologies and stay ahead of the curve so they could recommend architectural directions for the rest of the Bank.

Didn't have to produce any products; just proof of concepts and technology recommendations.

Well I traded stressing over worrying about a software company being alive the next month for the huge stresses of keeping $billions trading smoothly without error. Just one fire after another to put out. I'm on the front lines being shot at while he's in the back dealing with civilians.

 

[Developereo]

The article said "My pillar up to the VP is only 3% Americans"

That does not look like the 80% middle and bottom level. It looks like from top to bottom.

As I mentioned, there are smart, qualified Indians also. In this particular case, the top 20% is also mostly Indian and that's perfectly believable. I suspect most companies in India are 100% Indian yet they still manage to survive and even make profits!

I was making a general observation about software project teams in general. As long as the top 20% performs, the other 80% can absorb inefficiencies.

 

[kambhakt]

This is certainly true. You could list a blatantly false degree and fake college name on your resume and it wouldn't even be noticed. You then walk into a 6 figure job.

Do you really hire people with 6 figure jobs without checking the the authenticity of their education.

 

[Developereo]

Do you really hire people with 6 figure jobs without checking the the authenticity of their education.

Six figures is nothing in I.T.

You would be surprised how many companies don't bother checking anything on the resume, especially for a contract role.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Do you really hire people with 6 figure jobs without checking the the authenticity of their education.

They definitely do. As if they are going to call some college in India to dbl-check things?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Six figures is nothing in I.T.

You would be surprised how many companies don't bother checking anything on the resume, especially for a contract role.

This is why I think an expensive primo-college degree is now a waste if you are gong into IT.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Do you really hire people with 6 figure jobs without checking the the authenticity of their education.

Not 6 figure salaries. No, ...its the vast majority of the "keyboard coolies" who slip through, or used to slip through the system using the fake resume, fake references and manipulated phone interviews. With a large base some of these "climb the ladder " into the "6 figure spot ".
There are the genuine "brain drain" persons who came to the USA to do their Masters. There is a generous 18 month time period for students to find a job and get a sponsorship for an H1 visa. Even here the situation is more complex.

• You have the really brilliant ones ( very few ) from the IITs who have come to the USA to do their Masters at Ivy League universities by getting high GRE score admission and scholarships.
• Then there are those studying their post-graduation who are 100% self funded ( usually sons and daughters of businessmen or corrupt politicians) or working illegally off campus. These are usually in the tier 3 obscure universities. Their education is not to seek knowledge but to fund a path to residency in the USA. At an average of $8000 per semester it is an expensive investment.

In any case the American education system is still robust and even an obscure tier 3 university gives some degree of competency.
Fun fact:
With over 500,000 H1 visa holders, at the current rate it will take an average techie 25 years to transition from H1 to Green Card
The funny part is that no Indian wants to return to a $5 trillion economy India once he/she has left that country .

 

[vasanthm]

After graduation, I joined the tech division of an American investment bank in London, and the background check was intense. They even sent some local agency people to my home in India to speak to neighbours, contacted my college, and reached out to former part-time employers. Hard to see how some companies just take resumes at face value.

 

[kambhakt]

They definitely do. As if they are going to call some college in India to dbl-check things?

Maybe that is why you have Indians in charge of recruitment. They know the colleges they should recruit from. And maybe that is why it gets all regional. The Kannada guy know the good colleges in his state, but has no idea about the good colleges in other states.

But if you are hiring only based on certificates from Indian colleges, you are in for a disaster.

Last week I went to a middling quality engineering college for interns. 80% failed the aptitude test. Of the 20% successful, 50% failed the written. Only 10% students that pass out and get certificates are employable.

If you don't double check, you will be opening threads on PDF.