Frustrated Google employee wants to quit as half of his teammates are Indians

[sentry]

Couple of Pakistani nobodies vented their frustration on this thread. Thats all. Industry is not some tightly controlled communist entity that decides where the talent should come from. It employs people that they think has balance of talent, diligence and hardwork and an overall bang for the buck. Obviously it is not Pakistan.

 

[sentry]

No. You will never be part of their team. Even within their ethnic linguistic groups no one becomes part of the individual sub-teams, A North Indian from Delhi will never be part of their team either. The rules I mentioned are for the office, the coffee room and canteen only. Culturally or linguistically you are better off trying to connect with Punjabi Hindus or Sikhs from Delhi, Jammu. Punjab, Haryana and Himachal. Even then the rules, regarding, touch and food apply.

What nonsense about touch and food you are talking about? That illogical drivel that you wrote earlier?

We group together not to discriminate but to be comfortable within the subculture and language affinity. Same as with any other grouping. Stop posting nonsense like you know us. You don't know jack shit.

Pakistanis are just too superficial with their understanding of the world.

 

[vasanthm]

Supplying machined aerospace components to Gulfstream ?
What exactly? Overhead hatch door latches ?

What an ignorant comment. They manufacture Gulfstream Aerospace Bushings (GAB) and other precision components used in critical moving parts of the aircraft, far beyond just “overhead hatch door latches.” And this isn’t some Indian MNC; it’s a startup founded by 30-year-olds.

 

[Thinking]

You guys are stuck talking about IT outsourcing and backend work for the West, without any real sense of where Bangalore is actually heading. I live next door to Bangalore, and the innovation and progress in the tech scene here is on a completely different level.

We’re seeing 20 year olds and even teenagers building and launching tech products literally from their bedrooms. Some are already dollar millionaires. Just one small example of this bedroom driven innovation:

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Tell me, what do you think 20-year-olds are doing in other developing countries, or even in Pakistan? Pakistanis can mock Indian IT all they want, but what’s happening in India now goes far beyond H-1Bs or the Indian techies abroad. The scale of what’s building up here in India’s tech ecosystem is massive and it’s going to drive growth and opportunities for India’s middle class like never before.

Stop calling them "tech" products. Indians literally do one thing: create apps to make instant money. Most of these "tech apps" are either offering maid services, or moving goods from one point to other or selling food! Glorified bania apps.

None of these push the frontier of any technology! Technology is different from "IT" and we suck at every aspect of it though it is not all bad news. Real engineering is taking its root in India, finally. It just needs nurturing from government.

 

[Baibers_1260]

You guys are stuck talking about IT outsourcing and backend work for the West, without any real sense of where Bangalore is actually heading. I live next door to Bangalore, and the innovation and progress in the tech scene here is on a completely different level.

We’re seeing 20 year olds and even teenagers building and launching tech products literally from their bedrooms. Some are already dollar millionaires. Just one small example of this bedroom driven innovation:

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Tell me, what do you think 20-year-olds are doing in other developing countries, or even in Pakistan? Pakistanis can mock Indian IT all they want, but what’s happening in India now goes far beyond H-1Bs or the Indian techies abroad. The scale of what’s building up here in India’s tech ecosystem is massive and it’s going to drive growth and opportunities for India’s middle class like never before.

Vasanth,
Youtube videos don't prove anything. I have been to Bangalore many times for work, Your start-ups fail to deliver. Even HAL which encouraged so many startup component suppliers in the Peenya area has faced shocking delays due the "promised but never delivered " . We tried outsourcing engines, transmissions for drones which in small batch quantities were ideal for startups. Promised but never delivered. 60% of start-ups fold and go out of business within 3 years, The engineers from that Bangalore startup started sending applications for jobs to my company.
The Chinese sent us samples straight from their stocks and promised to uograde to our specifications. Not wanting to be dependent on China we opted for eastern Europe ( Czech Republic) instead.
I could dump dozens of You Tube videos of Czech Romanian, Polish, start-ups I am not even touching the Chinese.

 

[Musings]

Lol. The entire thread reeks of rants of Pakistanis seething that they can't replicate India's or Indians success for themselves. For all the fraud they seem to claim in the process, they themselves would never look for talent in Karachi or Lahore in Pakistan because they know their own people. Indians get hired because they might not be what they claim to be at the beginning but always are a diligent, hardworking people who would put in work to overcome the deficiences. Other south asian countrymen would not do the same but rather want to live out of doles. So take their rants with pinch of salt. Hiring companies know better.

No - i think too many people are generalising. Goodness sake - there is 1.2
Billion Indians - you are going to get good and bad.
We employ 160 plus people - several indian.
Some exceptional - professional - asset to the company - some just get by - some dont last a week. Anyone posted in a senior position get double triple checked.

 

[sentry]

No - i think too many people are generalising. Goodness sake - there is 1.2
Billion Indians - you are going to get good and bad.
We employ 160 plus people - several indian.
Some exceptional - professional - asset to the company - some just get by - some dont last a week. Anyone posted in a senior position get double triple checked.

Exactly. Everyone is trying to make it as if only Pakistanis are talented and Indians are just get by with defrauding companies. Obviously companies are not naive, they know what they want. India is the only country at the moment that has the critical mass of talent in IT. It is not going to change because of some Pakistani whims.

 

[Baibers_1260]

What an ignorant comment. They manufacture Gulfstream Aerospace Bushings (GAB) and other precision components used in critical moving parts of the aircraft, far beyond just “overhead hatch door latches.” And this isn’t some Indian MNC; it’s a startup founded by 30-year-olds.

Bushings? Do you even know what these are? Which type? Sintered, Rulon, PTFE glass filled, , Bronze? In what application. Controls linkages, ?
Unlikely without FAA certification, The Critical to Safety Components can only be manufactured in the USA . So it is that any thing significant. Infact door latches are quite complex and rigorously designed with FEA and DFMEA apart from intense testing with vibration shock and tens of thousands of simulated cycles. Unlikely anything significant related to aviation could be manufactured by a lone 30-yr old startup

 

[Baibers_1260]

What nonsense about touch and food you are talking about? That illogical drivel that you wrote earlier?

We group together not to discriminate but to be comfortable within the subculture and language affinity. Same as with any other grouping. Stop posting nonsense like you know us. You don't know jack shit.

Pakistanis are just too superficial with their understanding of the world.

Try to read my post dispassionately, and the Rules I mentioned, Name one Rule I mentioned that is incorrect,

" We group together not to discriminate but to be comfortable within the subculture and language affinity."

Isn't that sentence contradictory? So obviously you are not comfortable with other sub-cultures and languages, which is why instead of melting into the American melting pot you prefer to create big lumps in it. Do you realize this will result eventually in a backlash?
You obviously discriminate which is what the OP in this thread is all about.
Pakistanis are not competing with you for these jobs, but white Americans are .

 

[SaadH]

Lol. Again with stupid rants. NT Rama Rao? Ohhhhh. Obviously you stayed close to some telugu, chumming up with them and now becoming macho man on an anonymous forum. More you speak, more you expose your retardedness. Anyways no matter what you say, reality doesn't change. PAKISTANIS are just too competent to be in IT and are best at exporting donkeys that they think are key contributions to innovative chinese tech sector.

Why do indians get so defensive about everything? No saar you didn't shoot down any rafales but we shot down 30 f16, 8 AWACS and 6 tankers.

 

[fitpOsitive]

@Developereo @r3alist @Dalit @AZ_HighCountry @vasanthm @Vkdindian1 @Baibers_1260 @Meengla

Hopefully none of you are Googlers!

MSN

A growing conversation around workplace diversity has surfaced at Google, whwere employees are voicing concerns over cultural homogeneity within teams, particularly in engineering and technical roles. One employee, who spoke on condition of anonymity on Team Blind, described a noticeable shift in team composition over recent years. “My manager is Indian, my skip-level manager is Indian, and even their manager is Indian,” the employee said. “My team is split between India and other regions, but nearly all my teammates are Indian, except for what seem like a few hiring anomalies.”

While emphasising that the concern is not about individuals or ethnicity, the employee shared feelings of cultural disconnect and a loss of the team diversity that once made collaboration enjoyable. “There was a time when our team had people from a wide range of cultures and backgrounds, it made the environment more vibrant, open, and fun. Now, I often feel like an outlier.” The employee also suggested that this dynamic has impacted their sense of inclusion and belonging at the company, and shared that they are currently planning to leave the organisation.

The Internet swiftly reacted to the post. A user said, “In a world of woketards, it’s a rather avant garde perspective, but it doesn’t have to be.” Another noted, “You can still have fun with Indians.” Every fifth person in the world is Indian. Deal with it,” noted a user. A netizen claimed, “I am in California. All the employees in the company are Indian. The neighborhood I lived are all Indian. Sometimes I don’t know if I am in India or United States.”

“There are only 2 Americans on my team, the rest are all Indian. My pillar up to the VP is only 3% Americans. And I choose to use the term “Americans” bc i’m not hyper-focused on the team being white, I actually want to see legit diversity on our teams (race, ethnicity, gender, etc). I’m more concerned that we work for an American Company and make up a tiny fraction of the headcount. And it has absolutely nothing to do with capability/intelligence, and everything to do with ethnic empire building on the inside,” added a user.

A user claimed, “What is it with west’s obsession about having forced diversity? Like why does an engineering team or a company needs to be diverse over meritocracy? What purpose does diversity serve? Tiktok in China was built by 100% Chinese and it got adoption all over the world, so don’t say diversity is required for creating a global product. Few decades ago, US created many global brands with just Americans working for those companies.”

Regards

Just to give you a perspective that why this usually happens.
I joined a department of an international and world renowned company. So I was standing with one of my Indian colleague and he put some light on the departments past : from that end to that end once there were only golden heads ( means only white Europeans used to work in this department). But then they started leaving this department one after other and today only few golden heads remain here.
For me, I never came to know why that happened, but recently. When white Europeans work somewhere, they usually don't care about money being spent. R&D costs touch roofs and shoot through pretty much soon. In comparison, smaller entity in my company that still has majority golden heads consumes most of the r&d costs and company is not happy about it. So if your company is hiring blacks heads or golden heads are leaving then it must a cost issue at the core.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

They need to think of nation before luxury.

Too many Americans continue to get lazier.

 

[Developereo]

A name brand is still useful many years after graduation, it is not always about work experience. An academically challenging institution with a challenging degree is an indication raw academic ability to demonstrate the ability to learn and demonstrate that outside of the randomness of professional careers and work experience. That raw ability never goes away. A first from a redbrick in the UK(ie Ivy League) is worth more than than the same from one of the former polytechnics here in the UK, to see the potential of an individual and help forms an overall picture of the individual.

I don't believe in paper qualifications. Flashing an Ivy League degree is like putting up a sign at a dating session to say 'My mother thinks I am handsome'. If someone does or does not have the skills, it will become evident during an interview test or during work.

I know people who graduated from MIT but who can't do simple calculus any more, let alone advanced math. A lot of people get into quality schools just because they are good at taking tests.

I graduated from a top Boston school. We were actually more expensive than Harvard and MIT, and our people regularly transferred to and from Ivy League schools. We had people who transferred to Harvard then complain that the quality of undergrad education there was actually worse -- mostly relegated to PhD candidates while the professors were busy doing their research.

So, no, paper qualifications don't cut it with me.

 

[Developereo]

Too many Americans continue to get lazier.

If you believe that Americans are lazy and Indians are hard working, then you should also believe that illegal immigrants from poor countries are doing the hard work that lazy American won't do anyway, and you should be defending the illegal immigrants in the Los Angeles thread.

 

[vasanthm]

Bushings? Do you even know what these are? Which type? Sintered, Rulon, PTFE glass filled, , Bronze? In what application. Controls linkages, ?
Unlikely without FAA certification, The Critical to Safety Components can only be manufactured in the USA . So it is that any thing significant. Infact door latches are quite complex and rigorously designed with FEA and DFMEA apart from intense testing with vibration shock and tens of thousands of simulated cycles. Unlikely anything significant related to aviation could be manufactured by a lone 30-yr old startup

I’m not an aeronautical engineer, and I don’t claim to be an expert on bushings but perhaps you could take a look at their page. I do know they’re fully export-oriented and have a manufacturing facility in Ohio, USA. The company they acquired there, Martin Machine, has been making bushings for over few decades. Even before acquiring the US company, they were already supplying to aeronautical applications in both the US and Europe. Both their Indian and US facilities are AS9100 and ISO 9001 certified, and they supply Gulfstream and Cessna, Sikorsky (if I remember correctly from my conversations with them), as well as some European aeronautical companies.

It’s fine to be critical, but dismissing anything Indian without considering the facts suggests a lack of objectivity.