Frustrated Google employee wants to quit as half of his teammates are Indians

[Developereo]

A friend if a friend told me he use to work at an IT company which was owned by Indians. He left because he faced constant racism by indian work colleagues. The chap was white.

I don't know about racism - maybe it happened, or maybe he mischaracterized cultural mismatch as racism.

In a normal mixed team setting, there is work banter about sports, music, movies, etc. When a team is mostly full of recent Indian arrivals, that banter does not exist. Maybe you can find one or two younger Indians who can banter back but many of these Indians are married and their social life revolves heavily around Indian culture. You talk to them about a recent movie or sports event and all you get back are blank stares or polite smiles, LOL. It's really nobody's fault, just unfortunate.

It sounds trivial but it makes the work day really unbearable when you don't have banter and the only conversations you have with colleagues are about work.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Martin Machines wasn’t defunct — it was a running business sold because the original owners wanted to retire. The company, along with its staff and operations, was taken over by Aeropact. I know this because I’ve had detailed conversations with them.

Why would a "running business" change its name when it is a success story? Example: Wabtec takes over dozens of running businesses but retains the names and mentions the link and history keeping the web URLs and links. Brand names like Eaton are retained for customer confidence. I am surprised at your ignorance of vendor evaluation? I would love to do a vendor audit on this fly by night shack.
Lol ..even the domain is up for sale :

While their website doesn’t list specific customers (as is common in this sector), they clearly state:
“Our customers include aerospace OEMs, MROs, and several other industry OEMs ranging from Agriculture, Construction, Food Processing, Oil & Gas, Pumps and beyond.”

Some businesses list customers some don't
Most businesses give a detailed overview of the applications of their products.

Example: https://www.tstar.com/aerospace
Example : https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/markets/aerospace/hydraulics.html
Why does Aeropact mention Gulfstream in a tongue in cheek way when they don't mention any other customers in the other industries?

And from my direct discussions, I know they supply components to aerospace companies in both the US and Europe.

I find it hard to take your word for it. I am on the vendor evaluation board for my organization and from first hand what I see doesn't give me much confidence
The website pictures show mechanical dial gauges of 1950s vintage when modern measurement instrumentation has long transitioned into digital and laser optical systems.

What’s striking is how you seem intent on dismissing any success from India. The fact that a group of middle-class Indians (parents are bank employees)— educated in the West — could return, build up a business, and acquire small companies in the US to grow speaks volumes about the ambition and opportunity here.

A successful business does not need to lie on its website and obfuscate. This is exactly the kind of obfuscation that Indians put on their resume's claiming to have "worked " with big industry brand names, The names are deliberately put in so the resumes are selected from recruitment agency manpower data banks, during a word search by algorithms

Meanwhile, for most middle/upper-class Pakistanis, the pinnacle still seems to be getting a job in the West — exactly what you’ve done. Many Indians left that stage behind years ago and are aiming much higher.

I would modify that statement to make it more correct :" "

" Meanwhile, for most middle/upper-class INDIANS, the pinnacle still seems to be getting a job in the West — exactly is shown in the example of Google shown in opening post on this thread. Indians started this endeavor years ago and are aiming at much higher saturation of the American workspace "

Finslly for Shri Vasanth :
@SoulSpokesman

It’s fine to be ambitious, but OBFUSCATING and LYING without considering that others are smart enough to see through suggests a lack of integrity , intelligence and above all arrogance.

 

[vasanthm]

Why would a "running business" change its name when it is a success story? Example: Wabtec takes over dozens of running businesses but retains the names and mentions the link and history keeping the web URLs and links. Brand names like Eaton are retained for customer confidence. I am surprised at your ignorance of vendor evaluation? I would love to do a vendor audit on this fly by night shack.
Lol ..even the domain is up for sale :
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Some businesses list customers some don't
Most businesses give a detailed overview of the applications of their products.

Example: https://www.tstar.com/aerospace
Example : https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/markets/aerospace/hydraulics.html
Why does Aeropact mention Gulfstream in a tongue in cheek way when they don't mention any other customers in the other industries?


I find it hard to take your word for it. I am on the vendor evaluation board for my organization and from first hand what I see doesn't give me much confidence
The website pictures show mechanical dial gauges of 1950s vintage when modern measurement instrumentation has long transitioned into digital and laser optical systems.

A successful business does not need to lie on its website and obfuscate. This is exactly the kind of obfuscation that Indians put on their resume's claiming to have "worked " with big industry brand names, The names are deliberately put in so the resumes are selected from recruitment agency manpower data banks, during a word search by algorithms

I would modify that statement to make it more correct :" "

" Meanwhile, for most middle/upper-class INDIANS, the pinnacle still seems to be getting a job in the West — exactly is shown in the example of Google shown in opening post on this thread. Indians started this endeavor years ago and are aiming at much higher saturation of the American workspace "

Finslly for Shri Vasanth :

It’s fine to be ambitious, but OBFUSCATING and LYING without considering that others are smart enough to see through suggests a lack of integrity , intelligence and above all arrogance.

The Indian company has already been doing well. They acquired the US company to simplify certain operations, they faced challenges importing specialized steel for key customers due to India’s BIS certification requirements driven by the local steel lobby. They’ve also struggled at times to meet short lead-time orders, and the Ohio facility now helps address that. This isn’t a B2C business, it feels like you’re projecting a predefined notion about how Indian businesses operate.

In fact, they’re in the process of acquiring a second US company of similar scale. They’re growing fast, without rich family backgrounds or deep-pocketed backers — clearly, their business must be doing well to manage this. They are entirely dependent on Western customers and markets. Sure, they may not be at the absolute cutting edge of technology, but they’ve managed to build something solid with the resources available to them. When I last spoke with them, their main limitation was access to capital and not a lack of orders.

This is just one example. I personally know several others, like an engineer working on ozone generator solutions (Faraday Ozone) who has built a good market in the West. Another small company, whose young owner I personally know, is Rangsons Aerospace — they too have a lot of export orders. Many young Indian engineers today are looking beyond just getting jobs abroad, they want to build their own ventures, both in India and globally. Wingify is another fantastic case and perhaps their site looks slicker since they’re a tech firm.

Frankly, you seem to have a rather coloured view. If you or your company genuinely have business needs and want to engage with a small Indian company, I suggest you speak with them. They’re good folks, working hard to build something bigger than their friends or families could have ever imagined.

 

[Baibers_1260]

@vasanthm

I was initially toying with the idea of referring Aeropact LLC to one of our buyers for an initial S & P check and then make an outreach for a vendor audit to be added to our preferred supplier list. We are currently buying thousands of different metallic bushings mainly from China to supplement our after market spares for our legacy products overhaul support programs. Our modern designs have largely done away with metallic bushings and transitioned to non-metallic composites.
Low end non-critical to safety bushings can be bought cheaply from Grainger or McMaster Carr and we don't even need to set up vendors. In fact as an R & D engineer myself I encourage my subordinates to design around the COTS ( Commercial Off The Shelf) bushings wherever possible subject to DFMEA of course. We can buy bushings from Ali Baba also at the moment through impending tariffs may change the equation.

Regardless, my fleeting interest in the so-called enterprise you are promoting ( on a enemy Defense Forum of all places ! ) has vanished after the lies and obfuscation you have dumped here. First claiming "Aerospace Gulf Stream " then making a long vaguely worded rant.
I am ignoring your personal jibes (attention @Waz ) at my professional career and status because in a globalized context my professional competence is valued for what is relevant to the industry, and not by whether I like an Udupi menu or sing praises to Peenya and Jalahalli .
@SoulSpokesman

 

[vasanthm]

@vasanthm

I was initially toying with the idea of referring Aeropact LLC to one of our buyers for an initial S & P check and then make an outreach for a vendor audit to be added to our preferred supplier list. We are currently buying thousands of different metallic bushings mainly from China to supplement our after market spares for our legacy products overhaul support programs. Our modern designs have largely done away with metallic bushings and transitioned to non-metallic composites.
Low end non-critical to safety bushings can be bought cheaply from Grainger or McMaster Carr and we don't even need to set up vendors. In fact as an R & D engineer myself I encourage my subordinates to design around the COTS ( Commercial Off The Shelf) bushings wherever possible subject to DFMEA of course. We can buy bushings from Ali Baba also at the moment through impending tariffs may change the equation.

Regardless, my fleeting interest in the so-called enterprise you are promoting ( on a enemy Defense Forum of all places ! ) has vanished after the lies and obfuscation you have dumped here. First claiming "Aerospace Gulf Stream " then making a long vaguely worded rant.
I am ignoring your personal jibes at my professional career and status because in a globalized context my professional competence is valued for what is relevant to the industry, and not by whether I like an Udupi menu or sing praises to Peenya and Jalahalli .

Hope your colour-tinted glasses serve you well. In any case, the company I mentioned is doing well and growing, regardless of your opinion — as is much of the wider ecosystem in India.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Hope your colour-tinted glasses serve you well. In any case, the company I mentioned is doing well and growing, regardless of your opinion — as is much of the wider ecosystem in India.

Wider India Ecosystem? Will remember that when I attend the next Yakshagana Bayalatha performance at the local Kannadiga Cultural Festival.

 

[vasanthm]

Wider India Ecosystem? Will remember that when I attend the next Yakshagana Bayalatha performance at the local Kannadiga Cultural Festival.

You seem to have endless complaints about India, yet you keep coming back here for whatever work you do. Funny how that works.

 

[Baibers_1260]

You seem to have endless complaints about India, yet you keep coming back here for whatever work you do. Funny how that works.

You seem to have endless complaints about Pakistan as well and keep coming back here to pontificate on an enemy defense forum.
Here is some free consultancy for your friends:
I would sincerely advise your Aeropact "start-up" friends to consider diversifying their product line to composite polymer bushings or at least develop oil impregnated "Oilite" sintered metal bushings, They have a vaguely worded "powder metallurgy " product line without specifying if these are oil impregnated or not. The pictures of the standard bronze bushings are not clear and don't show lubrication grooves or grease ports.
On line support:
Standard Bushing suppliers like Grainger or McMaster Carr offer downloadable STEP CAD Solid Model files that are editable, along with 2D Drawings, and Technical Data Sheets with full metallurgical data. Online catalogues from Tristar for example offer complete data, on loads, maximum revolution ratings and thermal resistance, ambient working conditions and tolerances on recommended housings. It is surprising that the legacy Martin Machine had no such online documentation to carry over to the successor company.
Another word on composite bushings:
Bushings made from Rulon or Ultracomp are critical to demanding automotive off-high way and defense industry applications for ease of maintenance, light weight and exreme environment compatibility. The applications in aerospace are particularly significant. These materials are covered by global patents.
Even though it was extremely difficult, Chinese and Russian bushing manufacturers have somehow managed to reverse engineer these materials violating the patents. However the Russian bushings at least are not marketed outside Russia for obvious reasons.
I would therefore advise your friends to explore investing in a license to use Rulon or equivalent materials to expand their product lines and stay competitive.
That's a much better strategy than lying and obfuscating.
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[vasanthm]

You seem to have endless complaints about Pakistan as well and keep coming back here to pontificate on an enemy defense forum.
Here is some free consultancy for your friends:
I would sincerely advise your Aeropact "start-up" friends to consider diversifying their product line to composite polymer bushings or at least develop oil impregnated "Oilite" sintered metal bushings, They have a vaguely worded "powder metallurgy " product line without specifying if these are oil impregnated or not. The pictures of the standard bronze bushings are not clear and don't show lubrication grooves or grease ports.
On line support:
Standard Bushing suppliers like Grainger or McMaster Carr offer downloadable STEP CAD Solid Model files that are editable, along with 2D Drawings, and Technical Data Sheets with full metallurgical data. Online catalogues from Tristar for example offer complete data, on loads, maximum revolution ratings and thermal resistance, ambient working conditions and tolerances on recommended housings. It is surprising that the legacy Martin Machine had no such online documentation to carry over to the successor company.
Another word on composite bushings:
Bushings made from Rulon or Ultracomp are critical to demanding automotive off-high way and defense industry applications for ease of maintenance, light weight and exreme environment compatibility. The applications in aerospace are particularly significant. These materials are covered by global patents.
Even though it was extremely difficult, Chinese and Russian bushing manufacturers have somehow managed to reverse engineer these materials violating the patents. However the Russian bushings at least are not marketed outside Russia for obvious reasons.
I would therefore advise your friends to explore investing in a license to use Rulon or equivalent materials to expand their product lines and stay competitive.
That's a much better strategy than lying and obfuscating.
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I'm clueless as this is not my field.
I'll convey the message, thanks for sharing your knowledge, hope it helps them.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Indians and their stories...

out of many indians I have met, most of them are well behaved (not well mannered!) but are equally corrupt, criminal mind and I found many of them no less talented than other nationalities..

Indian talent is just a myth.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Maybe you can find one or two younger Indians who can banter back but many of these Indians are married and their social life revolves heavily around Indian culture. You talk to them about a recent movie or sports event and all you get back are blank stares or polite smiles, LOL. It's really nobody's fault, just unfortunate.

You don't talk to them except for a few minutes near the coffee pot stand, dining room or canteen. Check my earlier post on the 7 Rules of interacting with Indian ex-pats
We are two different peoples with zero common factors. I treat Indian colleagues exactly as I treat my Chinese, German, Japanese or Bangladeshi colleagues. India is just another nation in this global environment and I fail to see why we are giving so much importance to a tiny fraction of its population that has fled overseas to seek a better lifestyle.

 

[Developereo]

You don't talk to them except for a few minutes near the coffee pot stand, dining room or canteen. Check my earlier post on the 7 Rules of interacting with Indian ex-pats
We are two different peoples with zero common factors. I treat Indian colleagues exactly as I treat my Chinese, German, Japanese or Bangladeshi colleagues. India is just another nation in this global environment and I fail to see why we are giving so much importance to a tiny fraction of its population that has fled overseas to seek a better lifestyle.

India is a complex country with a diverse population. I have Indian friends from college who are some of the nicest people I know. They moved to the US in their teens.

In the workplace, I see many Indians who are fair minded and treat Pakistanis with fairness. Some of them even resist peer pressure and defend Pakistanis from the more belligerent Indians. Sadly, they then face anger from other Indians because there is immense peer pressure from the Modi-fied Indians of recent arrivals.

 

[Baibers_1260]

In the workplace, I see many Indians who are fair minded and treat Pakistanis with fairness. Some of them even resist peer pressure and defend Pakistanis from the more belligerent Indians. Sadly, they then face anger from other Indians because there is immense peer pressure from the Modi-fied Indians of recent arrivals.

Off topic but somewhat related:
I have no personal experience, but Indian Muslims (IM) I have spoken to, tell a different story about the Indian professionals they work alongside in India; in both the private and public sector organizations. .. The IM face insults, harassment, physical assaults, denial of leave on Eid , refusal for prayer time on Fridays and no accommodation of Ramadan evening timings for Iftar . The last is particularly difficult due to the fact that BOPs in India work to North American and European timezones. A BOP serving North American and European client's would be working from 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m Indian Time to serve both UK and East Coast USA.
In Hyderabad India I personally observed Muslims ( the very few that were there ), working late snacking on potato chips and a bottle of water for Iftar. To be fair, I was treated like a Royal Guest being a guest from the client; so even though I am not religious, and was not fasting but even then I had a sumptuous Iftar served to me in my office along with hot tea.

Unsurprisingly the IMs are conveniently "filtered out" for overseas assignments so there are practically zero Indian Muslim techies. The social media in India refer to IMs as "the Puncture wala" Madarsa chaap " ; since IMs have descended to the bottom of the economic ladder and some are involved in the car tire repair business.

Regardless, I must confess that I enjoyed the most extravagant hospitality during my frequent trips to India and despite my secular stance was repeatedly asked if I needed to be transported to the nearby mosque on Friday, or if I wanted halal food.
Of course I politely refused due to my organization ethics policies. I did accept one eat out dinner at a place called "36 " and I had some nice biryani and Kingfisher beer
An American passport, helped to keep me safe.
@vasanthm

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

If you believe that Americans are lazy and Indians are hard working, then you should also believe that illegal immigrants from poor countries are doing the hard work that lazy American won't do anyway, and you should be defending the illegal immigrants in the Los Angeles thread.

I never said Indians are hard working nor am I going to defend illegals. In fact, I'm not going to go down that path at all.

What I will offer to further my statement of Americans getting lazier, I see more and more and more people getting DoorDash or whatever the other fast food delivery services are delivered to their homes.

I see more and more people sitting in their cars at the grocery store curbside pickup while some store employee does their shopping for them. Now, granted, there are those who are physically unable to go through the challenges of shopping. Yet, I am seeing more and more who are absolutely able-bodied who won't even do that.

I was born and raised in farm country. I know what hard work is. I also know that too many of today's Americans are soft. If they can't start a lawn mower how are they going to survive the first 36 hours of boot camp?

I couldn't do an obstacle course now if my life depended on it but a 12 mile ruck march is still no issue.

 

[nahtanbob]

I never said Indians are hard working nor am I going to defend illegals. In fact, I'm not going to go down that path at all.

What I will offer to further my statement of Americans getting lazier, I see more and more and more people getting DoorDash or whatever the other fast food delivery services are delivered to their homes.

I see more and more people sitting in their cars at the grocery store curbside pickup while some store employee does their shopping for them. Now, granted, there are those who are physically unable to go through the challenges of shopping. Yet, I am seeing more and more who are absolutely able-bodied who won't even do that.

I was born and raised in farm country. I know what hard work is. I also know that too many of today's Americans are soft. If they can't start a lawn mower how are they going to survive the first 36 hours of boot camp?

I couldn't do an obstacle course now if my life depended on it but a 12 mile ruck march is still no issue.

People have gotten softer in this country.

Ask yourself how come Doordash of the world flourish.
People are lazy to cook
lazy to learn how to cook
lazy to pickup their food from restaurant

People hire illegals to do even mundane stuff like lawn mowing