Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

It's not Israel that is after us. It's the United States. Israel is just the US proxy in this war to achieve their goals with zero/minimal casualties.
Then Trump can claim victory without killing a single US soldier. It's foolish to think that this is an Israel-Iran war. It's without a doubt a US-Iran war.


The US was not defeated militarily in Vietnam.
When did Afghanistan defeat the US? Have we lived in the same universe?
The US helped the Taliban come to power, ousted them to replace them with a corrupt regime, then handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban again.


The same thing as I said above. This is not a war with Israel. Israel is just the proxy.

Dont forget trump approval rate is already declining. Attacking Iran and being slave to AIPAC is starting to divide republicans, internal situation of US could become worse, some new developments like Zohran Mandani, a social-democrat Shia muslim could become mayor of New York, Trump know risking a war for zionists could devestate his reputation worldwide and even among his backers and could cost trillions (people voted for him to stop never-ending-wars).
And ofcourse, we have ways to defend ourselves, the region could burn in a case of war since they support a potential genocide against Iranians like how they support a genocide against Palestinians.

 

[ShapurII]

Dont forget trump approval rate is already declining. Attacking Iran and being slave to AIPAC is starting to divide republicans, internal situation of US could become worse, some new developments like Zohran Mandani, a social-democrat Shia muslim could become mayor of New York, Trump know risking a war for zionists could devestate his reputation worldwide and even among his backers and could cost trillions (people voted for him to stop never-ending-wars).
And ofcourse, we have ways to defend ourselves, the region could burn in a case of war since they support a potential genocide against Iranians like how they support a genocide against Palestinians.

It's more complicated than that.
It's not AIPAC that controls the US. The US is an evil, soulless, capitalist empire based on the values of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christians for the most part.
Jews do have a tremendous amount of influence in there, but it's not all of it.

The mayor of New York, even the Governor of the New York State, have no power to stop the US war on Iran. The Senate voted not to limit Trump's power in declaring war to Iran. So, Trump can basically do whatever he wants now and since the Republicans control both the Senate and the Congress, nothing will stop him.

 

[vmro]

And no one of the neighbors will invade Iran... Turkey, Pakistan and Iraq for sure, is not impossible to get fight against Baku-Yerevan military coalition, while Afghanistan is wild card, as always...

Their apocalyptic assault and crush of Safavids is incredibly damaging to Iranian state and development, till this days, only fortune moment and avoiding unreasonable collapsed end of Iran, then, was one of the all-time military genius, Nader Shah....

Now Iranian border with Afghanistan is still somewhat vulnerable, with millions Afghans in Iran, and taliban government...omg...

For Turkey and Pakistan is impossible because border zones between this states can't be clearly understand from political geographic maps... those zones are not friendly for any state, so Turkey could take more of Kurdistan, and Pakistan could govern with entire Balochi population...

For Iraq 3 sides must be agreed with every details, so bigger chances are to get civil war there than war on Iran...

There is a reason why Turkish Iranian borderline is roughly the same for 5 centuries, and there is no major conflict between them last centuries...

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

It's more complicated than that.
It's not AIPAC that controls the US. The US is an evil, soulless, capitalist empire based on the values of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christians for the most part.
Jews do have a tremendous amount of influence in there, but it's not all of it.

The mayor of New York, even the Governor of the New York State, have no power to stop the US war on Iran. The Senate voted not to limit Trump's power in declaring war to Iran. So, Trump can basically do whatever he wants now and since the Republicans control both the Senate and the Congress, nothing will stop him.

A shia axis will defeat them, it will become a holy war and hopefully we open the gates of Persian gulf and Jordan, at least our missiles. This is not some fantasy, this could happen.

 

[ShapurII]

And no one of the neighbors will invade Iran... Turkey, Pakistan and Iraq for sure, is not impossible to get fight against Baku-Yerevan military coalition, while Afghanistan is wild card, as always...

Their apocalyptic assault and crush of Safavids is incredibly damaging to Iranian state and development, till this days, only fortune moment and avoiding unreasonable collapsed end of Iran, then, was one of the all-time military genius, Nader Shah....

Now Iranian border with Afghanistan is still somewhat vulnerable, with millions Afghans in Iran, and taliban government...omg...

For Turkey and Pakistan is impossible because border zones between this states can't be clearly understand from political geographic maps... those zones are not friendly for any state, so Turkey could take more of Kurdistan, and Pakistan could govern with entire Balochi population...

For Iraq 3 sides must be agreed with every details, so bigger chances are to get civil war there than war on Iran...

There is a reason why Turkish Iranian borderline is roughly the same for 5 centuries, and there is no major conflict between them last centuries...

I have a tendency to take threats seriously, unlike the IR leaders who sleep in their apartments when war is imminent.

A news presenter in the Baku regime has announced on their TV that they will soon be in Tabriz. I didn't believe it before I saw it with my own eyes on a YouTube channel called Prime TV or something.

We knew/guessed that the next step of the war would be to create chaos and instigate separatism inside in Iran. We know that Israel will not start Round 2 without "shock and awe".

Their "shock and awe" in the first round was to decapitate IRGC/Artesh generals. They are not going to use the same one again, I think. Maybe because they can't (hopefully), or even if they can, it won't be as "shocking" as before. This time they will go for something different that we don't expect it yet. Could very well be an invasion from the northwest.

 

[PakAl]

Western Elites controlled by Zionists are playing a very dangerous game, they have let lose Israel the mad rabid dog in ME to harass and threat the population into submission, Arabs with their fancy palaces and silk gowns have surrender years ago, and now they are so deep into their block that even a hint from a leader such as SIsi, MBS or whatever the name of Abu Dhabi's ****, they will be assassinated by their own sons/cousins or uncles to usurp Power, The Arab world display why Rasool Allah SAW warned again and again to stay away from the luxuries of Duniya, they didn't listen and here we are, Zionists has turn major Arab leaders into their private pets which turn the wider Islamic world under their total control, In case of war I'd be more worried about the Arabs and so called Muslims than any western Army. You can fight a enemy that is in-front of you but its hard to fight a enemy that you call brother in faith and open your houses too.

If Iran is smart they will quickly buy Chinese J-10's with urgent delivery, train with PAF pilots, and For the love of God, Test the God Damn nuke and put the warhead into 5-10 BM and aim at Israel, there is no other way to tame this rabid dog because Iran is not fighting Israel, they are fighting the whole west and Arabs, while Russians chicken out and busy getting killed in Ukraine. I would don't even rely too much on Pakistan for anything, the only Iran's survival is guaranteed if they test the nuclear weapons ASAP.

This is only the beginning, Israel WILL expand its genocidal mission, they want the messiah to come but he is not coming, they think Israel is still not powerful enough for him to come, Israel must completely dominate the middleeast, destroy all threats so this means Hizbollah, Houthis and Iran will be targeted again and again until destruction.

Not sure why Iranians are claiming Israel lost due to demanding ceasefire. Israel at the beginning mentioned the operations against Iran will last till 14 days and by 12th they're finished, due to Donald Trump serious demand.

 

[PakAl]

No need to attack azerbayjan, just target the aliyev clan and familymembers, some loyal figures.

Isnt Israel enough as a threat, with Nato lurking around the corner.

 

[hasn2009]

From Times of Israel, we know about 5-10 chiefs, who are the rest?

Israeli official says Iran strikes killed over 30 security chiefs, 11 nuclear scientists

Independent expert says as Iran didn't demonstrate its missiles have great accuracy, 'there is effectively nothing stopping Israel from conducting the same operation in the future'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Meengla]

Ofcourse we do!
Why so negative bro? Israel is very small, they can't afford long war, the cost is just extremely high for them, also they're naturally cowards. Their defence systems are depleted, even American ones will become depleted. Logistics is a nightmare for them. Iran will devestate them if they act stupid again.

You do have some good points. But unfortunately there are too many defeatists from Iran in this forum. As I said at the very beginning of this war in this forum: I saw no reason that Iran was going to lose this conflict unless the Americans get fully involved in this conflict. But Americans don't want to. Not because of any nicety but because the cost to America too would be huge. Twice under Biden, America arranged a careful dance with Iran to stage tit for tat attacks. Happened again under Trump a few days ago.
Should that not tell you something???

 

[PakAl]

There's a pro-Russian presence in the Iranian system that is behind all of this.

Russia had made a deal with Turkey over Syria. Russia facilitated the process of handing over Syria to Turkey and the transition process was even smoother than the transition of power from Trump to Biden lol The fact that Bashar Assad went to meet Putin at the Kremlin a few days before he fled Syria is a strong indication that Russia clearly played a role in this smooth transition of power.

Russia could not protect Bashar Al Assad anymore, Turkey, Saudia, Qatar, Usa completely isolated syria in the region, Syrian economy was destroyed, people were frustrated with war, only way out was fight till end like Gaddafi or leave and he left. I think it was a good decision, alot of his followers were spared in the deal, 10,000s of army people, police spared and allowed to be part of the new process. Syria has now moved from Iranian Russian block to Nato Turkey GCC block.

 

[ShapurII]

Russia could not protect Bashar Al Assad anymore, Turkey, Saudia, Qatar, Usa completely isolated syria in the region, Syrian economy was destroyed, people were frustrated with war, only way out was fight till end like Gaddafi or leave and he left. I think it was a good decision, alot of his followers were spared in the deal, 10,000s of army people, police spared and allowed to be part of the new process. Syria has now moved from Iranian Russian block to Nato Turkey GCC block.

It was more or less the same in 2011. Everyone was against Assad even then. Every leader in the world said "Assad has to go", except for Iran. Even Russia wanted Assad gone before 2014-2015.
Russia betrayed Iran by offering Assad an alternative: run away and save your life and Assad took the offer. It was a strategic blow to Iran's deterrence against Israel but you can't expect anything else from Russia to be honest.

Anyway, it is what it is. The IR brought all this upon themselves by their stupidity and anti-Iran policies.

 

[Lulldapull]

You didn´t defeat them except once where you took from them the entire Levent, Egypt and the entire North Africa but that lasted for 9 years as the Romans made an unbelieable comeback this battle is detailed in the Quran actully.

The Persians defeated the Romans in such a way nobody believable the Romans could make a comeback but they did make an unbelievable comeback and retook all these lands.

In Surah Ar-Rum.

In all the other battles it was just statemate like each one keeping his territorial boundaries and guarding

Check the ID of this Battalian Titanium ulla

@Persian Gulf @Hack-Hook

This Al-Qaeda muzlim turkiyan hair cut/ shave barber guy in Manchester...... is a known multi-ID rat. Part of the Assad must go brigade......

 

[BigMela2onin]

Their "shock and awe" in the first round was to decapitate IRGC/Artesh generals. They are not going to use the same one again, I think. Maybe because they can't (hopefully), or even if they can, it won't be as "shocking" as before. This time they will go for something different that we don't expect it yet. Could very well be an invasion from the northwest.

Their petrochemical industries are more vulnerable a target, and in range of SRBMs.

 

[PakAl]

if we strongly suspect Israel will attack us again soon, should we wait for them to hit us hard and let them have the first mover advantage again, or do something about it first?

Iran has no choice but to wait. Israel is backed by Nato and any Iranian aggression will get Iran in to big trouble. I believe Israel is already making plans for round two, they want to destroy all ballistic missiles, AD systems, SM systems, target tanks, navy, and send Iran back 30 years.

Iran must find and finish Mossad agents ASAP, get rid of western military communication and buy Chinese, rebuilt or buy 500 missile launchers. Its too late for airforce, AD, SAM systems as this will take too long, buy 100 long range drones and use them 24 7 to keep eye on Iranian airspace.

Iran must also immediately call a UN meeting, declare any Israeli attack on Iran will be regarded as an official declaration of war and Iran will respond with 10,000 missile attack on Israel, destroying all bases, nuclear powerplants and only Israel will be responsible for this. Iran must set standards or the zionist state will walk all over Iran.

 

[lightning f57]

Some steps Iran must take while there is a pause, Israel and the US will be back,

Get all the missile bases operational

Quickly put up air defences to protect Tehran and other western cities.

Start to assemble the bomb, one would hope they have a secret facility more east, Israelis will be wary to go further east more fuel needed and they will be wary to go too close to Pak.

All the traitors and sabouters must be dealt with, Iran should mobilise militia and give local powers to deal with this threat.

Scientists, leaders and other hvt need to be put in safe places.

Iran needs to make at full capacity as many missiles as possible and try procure what ever weapons it can even from rocket man.

Protection against drones needs to be put up in key facilities.

Well known places need to stop being used and alternative sites for manufacturing, governance need be put in place.

IRGC needs to stop underestimating the enemy and start to recognise their shortcomings and put in measures.