Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[corven]

I personally think this article is a complete nonsense. J10C was not designed to be a mission aircraft against fifth-generation aircraft from the beginning. He is defined in the Chinese military as a handyman who bullies weak countries, such as India.
In the internal exercises of the Chinese military, J10C has no chance of winning against J20, and is almost certain to lose to J16. Therefore, even if a bunch of J10Cs are exported to Iran, they can only be shot down when facing Israel's early warning aircraft and F35.
According to the Chinese military's setting, KJ500+J20 is used to suppress the US E2D+F35; J10C does not have this ability.
Therefore, it is recommended that everyone disband. There is nothing to discuss about this issue.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Pakistan can, if Iran asks, train Iranian pilots. Temporarily station Iranian J-10Cs in Pakistan till the time Iranian pilots are ready and they have accumulated around 30+ J-10Cs. This way they can ensure that the J-10cs (first batch of 8-10) is not destroyed by Israel upon arrival in Iran .

Iran can also have annual air force exercises, one with China, one with Pakistan, and one trilateral exercises involving Pakistan, China, and Iran (maybe even turkey). This way Iranian pilots will quickly learn battle planing and how to conduct real action.

My biggest concerns with the above is F35s taking these planes out in a surprised attack and then Iran will be left without an air force. It can happen given the path from Israel to Iran is wide open (to the destruction of the Islamic countries). This is not an easy problems to solve and would required highly potent missile barrages in order to preemptively stop Israel from attacking Iran in a surprised attack.
The saboteurs roaming in Iran (not sure how many remain) are a problem too. The IRGC training has been extremely inadequate from the losses in the last 10 years.

Maybe its time to swallow the pride and maybe come under the protection of the Chinese by fully immersing in their Eco-system. Think of this as a large prison. There's not shame in allying yourself with a stronger prisoner to stave off the hyenas waiting to pounce. Iran in the literal sense only has 3 1/2 years before President Trump's term is over. Trust me, he's as anti-war as one can get in the WH. Iran is Pakistan's bulwark against the genocidal Zionists wanting to expand eastwards. Once and if (God forbids) Iran falls, the face of Islam will be dedicated by these devil spawns and their Saudi-Wahhabi Bi*ch undermining the Islamic identity of the region. One only needs to take a look at Dubai to see the debauchery being pursused and pushed onto the lands of Islam.

This is about regional hegemony and control of resources. The war hasn't ended. It's a pause until the entity can rearm itself.

Tagging the fellow Iranians on this forum to get their input
@muhammed45 @shapurzolaktaf @ShapurII @Persian Gulf @Kyussis @Liquidator

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

To be honest J-16 makes more sense for Iran.

J16 is not exportable to any country because its design based on Soviet/Russian Su-27 series with composite materials and indigenous avionics and this is a RUSSIAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, China can't export J16 without Russian permission

 

[Lulldapull]

Bossss, who says they even want to? You are avoiding the point that Iran exports its Revolution everywhere it can, it's whole configuration as a state right now seems to be designed to expire at some point, maybe when the missiles run out, that's why everyone mentions their lack of air force and navy, how long can that continue for?


You might already be at the point now where Iran just does not have the legacy and institutional memory to manage a conventional military


And why don't you ever mention Iran support to the USA, against Pakistan's interest when the USA were in Afghanistan, that caused quite a lot of headache on top of actually having the US presence problems and pressure

it's a nice place when the Invasion is always exported elsewhere huh

They’re far more powerful than us no?

We couldn’t do what they did to Israel, even if our lives depended upon it.

No need to discuss this reality man.

That whole ME region can’t stand up to Iran no? Without US support no?

 

[Viet]

The Mossad's primary job is to sabotage Iran's military and civilian infrastructure.

As for China, they are probably trying to steal China's 6th gen blueprints and many other's military gears that China is currently leading.

China is now extremely rigorous when it comes to various government contractor jobs, and prohibiting those overasea students for potentially CIA/Mossad ties.

the Mossad is able to infiltrate because Iran security apparatus is weak. there is no other explanation. such breach must be tacked by counterintelligence. China is a different story. but I don’t know.
here in Germany there are 2 agencies: BND and MAD. the US have 5 or more agencies I believe.

 

[MH.Yang]

I personally think this article is a complete nonsense. J10C was not designed to be a mission aircraft against fifth-generation aircraft from the beginning. He is defined in the Chinese military as a handyman who bullies weak countries, such as India.
In the internal exercises of the Chinese military, J10C has no chance of winning against J20, and is almost certain to lose to J16. Therefore, even if a bunch of J10Cs are exported to Iran, they can only be shot down when facing Israel's early warning aircraft and F35.
According to the Chinese military's setting, KJ500+J20 is used to suppress the US E2D+F35; J10C does not have this ability.
Therefore, it is recommended that everyone disband. There is nothing to discuss about this issue.

The key to shooting down the F-35 is the anti-stealth radar, not the fighter launching the missiles.

So Iran needs the complete Chinese combat system, especially the anti-cloaking radar network consisting of JY-27, YLC-8E, YLC-2E, DWL-002, JY-50, SLC-7, and JYL-1A.

 

[MH.Yang]

J16 is not exportable to any country because its design based on Soviet/Russian Su-27 series with composite materials and indigenous avionics and this is a RUSSIAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, China can't export J16 without Russian permission

It's actually possible that Iran will get permission from Russia.

They have good relations with Russia and India does not exert influence over Russia.

 

[corven]

The key to shooting down the F-35 is the anti-stealth radar, not the fighter launching the missiles.

So Iran needs the complete Chinese combat system, especially the anti-cloaking radar network consisting of JY-27, YLC-8E, YLC-2E, DWL-002, JY-50, SLC-7, and JYL-1A.

Do you think China will export these to them? I am just pointing out that the J10C alone is unlikely to change anything, so why are you so excited? Do you think China will sell all kinds of weapons to Iran on a large scale?

 

[clutch]

J16 is not exportable to any country because its design based on Soviet/Russian Su-27 series with composite materials and indigenous avionics and this is a RUSSIAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, China can't export J16 without Russian permission

Give Russia a cut of $$$.... And Iran can continue to support the Russians with Drones for the endless Ukraine war. Win win.

 

[ety]

the Israelis fly F35. what technology the Jews can learn from this type of chinese aircraft which is comparable to F16?
Ccp will sell to Iran I am pretty sure. 99 percent. because the sale will fit china strategic interest. those Mossad will not make Xi Jinping sleepless. and even if, that’s not China concern.
the question is just what Iran wants. buying chinese aircraft will push Iran deeper into dependency.

Better to know all the secrets of your possible enemies, eventhough those secrets might not concern the most advanced tech, then you have much better chance defeating your enemies in all situations. J 10C may not be comparable to F 35, but it is a potent fighter to handle F 16 and F 15 that Israel has lots esp earlier models.

 

[MH.Yang]

Do you think China will export these to them? I am just pointing out that the J10C alone is unlikely to change anything, so why are you so excited? Do you think China will sell all kinds of weapons to Iran on a large scale?

If Iran is willing to provide bases and let the PLA control these radars ......

 

[Hack-Hook]

If Iran is willing to provide bases and let the PLA control these radars ......

Constitunionaly impossible

 

[RealNapster]

My biggest concerns with the above is F35s taking these planes out in a surprised attack and then Iran will be left without an air force. It can happen given the path from Israel to Iran is wide open (to the destruction of the Islamic countries). This is not an easy problems to solve and would required highly potent missile barrages in order to preemptively stop Israel from attacking Iran in a surprised attack.
The saboteurs roaming in Iran (not sure how many remain) are a problem too. The IRGC training has been extremely inadequate from the losses in the last 10 years.

Maybe its time to swallow the pride and maybe come under the protection of the Chinese by fully immersing in their Eco-system. Think of this as a large prison. There's not shame in allying yourself with a stronger prisoner to stave off the hyenas waiting to pounce. Iran in the literal sense only has 3 1/2 years before President Trump's term is over. Trust me, he's as anti-war as one can get in the WH. Iran is Pakistan's bulwark against the genocidal Zionists wanting to expand eastwards. Once and if (God forbids) Iran falls, the face of Islam will be dedicated by these devil spawns and their Saudi-Wahhabi Bi*ch undermining the Islamic identity of the region. One only needs to take a look at Dubai to see the debauchery being pursused and pushed onto the lands of Islam.

This is about regional hegemony and control of resources. The war hasn't ended. It's a pause until the entity can rearm itself.

Tagging the fellow Iranians on this forum to get their input
@muhammed45 @shapurzolaktaf @ShapurII @Persian Gulf @Kyussis @Liquidator

Iran is too deep for F-35 to roam around even if they have air superiority over Iran.

Iran would need two to three lines of defence (military/air force bases). Near border with Afghanistan, in the middle, and near the coast. Iran can, on normal occasions, station it's majority fighting force in country middle or afghan side bases.

And it's not like only J-10cs will be game over for Israel. Iran will have to build a network .

Ground based long range radars + J-10Cs + KJ-500 AWACS + Air refuelers + Airdefence systems (SAMs). F-35 won't be able to penetrate that.

 

[Kazuya]

Financial limitations render mass acquisitions of fighter jets infeasible for Iran. The more viable approach is likely to procure limited units for reverse-engineering purposes.

 

[MH.Yang]

Constitunionaly impossible

The Saudi constitution does not allow it either, but China does have ballistic missile units stationed in Saudi Arabia.

We can do this, China can set up a private company and these private companies can buy these weaponry. The Iranian government buys the services of anti-stealth airplanes from this private Chinese company.