Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[the saint]

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[OldTwilight]

Friend, you have a very strange mind.

On the one hand, you are constantly blaming China on this forum, accusing China of having very poor weapons systems ......

And on the other hand, you want China to provide Iran with the J-10C which you think is very poor ......

How would you feel about this phenomenon if yours was Chinese?

Some is reality check , some is optimistic wishful thinking ( for sure I would enjoy having 40 brand new j10c or j35 in our arsenal right now, I'm not a fool ) ... And yes , your fighters are good but your exported AD didn't show better performance than ours , so instead of buying HQ-xx systems and spend 6-12 months to train and integrate it tou our AD network , it's more practical to buy spare part from China and repair our AD and produce new one , or just order new S300 PMU2 from Russia ...

You guys telling we should cancel su35 deal and buy j10c , which is absurd because we paid for su35 and this is TOT contract which will give us industrial base for further development while you didn't offer same cooperations for j10c/j35ae ...


Right now , our only chance for integrating any new fighter jet to our air force in next 6 months is su-35.

 

[ety]

... And yes , your fighters are good but your exported AD didn't show better performance than ours ...

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Really, so you think Chinese AD exported to Pakistan in the Indo-Pak mini war performed worse than your AD in the Israeli attacks and bombings recently, wow.

 

[OldTwilight]

Really, so you think Chinese AD exported to Pakistan in the Indo-Pak mini war performed worse than your AD in the Israeli attacks and bombings recently, wow.

well, show me statistics...

 

[SD 10]

Israel used 50-80% of its entire air force every day to suppress SSM bases and needed US GBU-57s to destroy Natanz (10-20m underground) and (maybe) Fordow (80m under mountain)

and the element of surprise of local drone terrorists used to paralyse Iran's air defences and limit operational freedom for missile teams is heavily degraded at least

I don't think it's feasible for them to repeat this every time. Iran's new nuclear sites (Natanz-2 150m, Qazvin 200-250m) are buried far deeper than Fordow (80m). Israel can't reach them even if the US gives them B-2s and infinite GBU-57s (which cost $30m each and only exist in very small numbers, up to c. 20-30 left).

Israel didn't even try to hit the missile cities buried 200-400m under mountains.

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So fordow is gone?

 

[Michael]

Some is reality check , some is optimistic wishful thinking ( for sure I would enjoy having 40 brand new j10c or j35 in our arsenal right now, I'm not a fool ) ... And yes , your fighters are good but your exported AD didn't show better performance than ours , so instead of buying HQ-xx systems and spend 6-12 months to train and integrate it tou our AD network , it's more practical to buy spare part from China and repair our AD and produce new one , or just order new S300 PMU2 from Russia ...

You guys telling we should cancel su35 deal and buy j10c , which is absurd because we paid for su35 and this is TOT contract which will give us industrial base for further development while you didn't offer same cooperations for j10c/j35ae ...


Right now , our only chance for integrating any new fighter jet to our air force in next 6 months is su-35.

Well.
I wish you “victory” in the next war with these Su-35s!

 

[ety]

well, show me statistics...

There are reports that imported Pakistani HQ-9BE and HQ-16 shot down valuable Indian aircraft, Brahmos and Scalp missiles. And I don't know about your AD performance. In other words, you are not familiar with the results of the 2 ADs, but you just make assumptions. Then, why your AD is badly damaged after Israeli attacks and Pakistani AD is unscathed after Indian attacks ?

 

[Garcia Sea]

Yemen is even more surrounded by enemy nations than Iran, and its territory is narrow and lacks depth, making it an easy target for bombing.
Its equipment is not even one-tenth of Iran’s.
Originally, both Israel and the U.S. military should have been able to bomb at will with JDAMs from the safety of the sea.
Yet, the Yemeni air defense forces, which have pushed the F-35 to its limits, have fought so brilliantly that there are no other words to describe it.
They even drove a U.S. aircraft carrier out of the northern Red Sea.
This magnificently proves what I have always argued: that the true essence of battle lies not in the superiority of equipment, but in the resolve of leaders, the unity of the people, and the adaptability on the ground.
The Iranian people should learn not from the impossible task of rebuilding their air force or acquiring secret weapons, but from the practical ingenuity gained through real combat.

 

[gambit]

Yemen is even more surrounded by enemy nations than Iran, and its territory is narrow and lacks depth, making it an easy target for bombing.
Its equipment is not even one-tenth of Iran’s.
Originally, both Israel and the U.S. military should have been able to bomb at will with JDAMs from the safety of the sea.
Yet, the Yemeni air defense forces, which have pushed the F-35 to its limits, have fought so brilliantly that there are no other words to describe it.
They even drove a U.S. aircraft carrier out of the northern Red Sea.
This magnificently proves what I have always argued: that the true essence of battle lies not in the superiority of equipment, but in the resolve of leaders, the unity of the people, and the adaptability on the ground.
The Iranian people should learn not from the impossible task of rebuilding their air force or acquiring secret weapons, but from the practical ingenuity gained through real combat.

This man sounds like he has DECADES of military experience. Iran must listen and take his advice.

 

[kastor ville]

Some is reality check , some is optimistic wishful thinking ( for sure I would enjoy having 40 brand new j10c or j35 in our arsenal right now, I'm not a fool ) ... And yes , your fighters are good but your exported AD didn't show better performance than ours , so instead of buying HQ-xx systems and spend 6-12 months to train and integrate it tou our AD network , it's more practical to buy spare part from China and repair our AD and produce new one , or just order new S300 PMU2 from Russia ...

You guys telling we should cancel su35 deal and buy j10c , which is absurd because we paid for su35 and this is TOT contract which will give us industrial base for further development while you didn't offer same cooperations for j10c/j35ae ...


Right now , our only chance for integrating any new fighter jet to our air force in next 6 months is su-35.

Nooo.....please, start another indigenous fighter program.

 

[Lulldapull]

well, show me statistics...

He can’t but knows how his equipment performed back in May.

Keep in mind, other than a bunch of YouTube enthusiasts from Muslim countries here, no Iranian officials have requested any help from neither Russia nor China.

 

[fitpOsitive]

But I think what pushed USA to cause ceasefire was two Chinese cargo planes that landed in Iran.
What was inside?

 

[Khaki]

@Persian Gulf
Hi, I hope you're doing well. I wanted to ask you about something.


There has been a specific narrative circulating here in Pakistan, promoted by certain individuals, claiming that when our Army Chief visited Iran and met with your Army Chief, Mohammad Bagheri, he gifted him a wristwatch that contained a GPS chip — allegedly allowing real-time tracking of his location.

I have searched on the internet, and its only a couple Indian accounts/newspapers/news channels, all not mainstream, initially claiming this.

I want your opinion about this and also can it be technically possible, hypothetically supposing that, he gave a GPS watch?

Thanks

edit: mistook Deino for Persian Gulf, my bad

 

[r3alist]

Except China did help Pakistan, more so than Russia helped Iran. And Pakistan didn't need help, it has nuclear weapons which prevent an escalation and created hard red lines.

Its not bad faith, its just stating the obvious Russia has no intention of taking a side. The people who think Russia, China and Iran are all besties in the same boat fighting against the world are the ones that are naive..

No I did not mean you in bad faith, I mean all the commentators and analysts who say this sort of thing

China helped Pakistan because Pakistan and china very much deeper established allyship

That being said, you correctly raised the limitations as of now, they might share some similar ideological overlap but is it really much more than talk

 

[OldTwilight]

Well.
I wish you “victory” in the next war with these Su-35s!

As far as I know , China only show "concerns about breaking of international law by the west" and nothing else ... a Chinese wishing "victory" for us is significant improvement...