Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Khaki said:
@Persian Gulf
Hi, I hope you're doing well. I wanted to ask you about something.


There has been a specific narrative circulating here in Pakistan, promoted by certain individuals, claiming that when our Army Chief visited Iran and met with your Army Chief, Mohammad Bagheri, he gifted him a wristwatch that contained a GPS chip — allegedly allowing real-time tracking of his location.

I have searched on the internet, and its only a couple Indian accounts/newspapers/news channels, all not mainstream, initially claiming this.

I want your opinion about this and also can it be technically possible, hypothetically supposing that, he gave a GPS watch?

Thanks

edit: mistook Deino for Persian Gulf, my bad
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Look at it this way if you know this then the watch is in the bin.
 
Khaki said:
@Persian Gulf
Hi, I hope you're doing well. I wanted to ask you about something.


There has been a specific narrative circulating here in Pakistan, promoted by certain individuals, claiming that when our Army Chief visited Iran and met with your Army Chief, Mohammad Bagheri, he gifted him a wristwatch that contained a GPS chip — allegedly allowing real-time tracking of his location.

I have searched on the internet, and its only a couple Indian accounts/newspapers/news channels, all not mainstream, initially claiming this.

I want your opinion about this and also can it be technically possible, hypothetically supposing that, he gave a GPS watch?

Thanks

edit: mistook Deino for Persian Gulf, my bad
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nonsense
 
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Did you know that during the Gulf War, the U.S. military, which held absolute air superiority, failed to destroy a single Iraqi Scud launcher?
Even now, Russia is struggling immensely to locate SRBM and Patriot launchers just tens to a hundred kilometers from the front lines, and can only destroy them at a very slow pace.
Meanwhile, Iran’s SAM and MRBM launchers, located hundreds of kilometers inland from the border, were destroyed one after another.
No matter how much neighboring countries and the U.S. aided Israel, this is a disastrous result that cannot be excused.
The air defense forces were utterly powerless, and the country was a haven for spies.
Iran must face the reality that it has been nothing more than a vulnerable and enticing target, far more so than any other country the U.S. has ever aimed at.
Israel and the U.S., now aware of Iran’s weakness, are rapidly preparing for another attack.
 
Khaki said:
@Persian Gulf
Hi, I hope you're doing well. I wanted to ask you about something.


There has been a specific narrative circulating here in Pakistan, promoted by certain individuals, claiming that when our Army Chief visited Iran and met with your Army Chief, Mohammad Bagheri, he gifted him a wristwatch that contained a GPS chip — allegedly allowing real-time tracking of his location.

I have searched on the internet, and its only a couple Indian accounts/newspapers/news channels, all not mainstream, initially claiming this.

I want your opinion about this and also can it be technically possible, hypothetically supposing that, he gave a GPS watch?

Thanks

edit: mistook Deino for Persian Gulf, my bad
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This forum has reached a new low.
 
German Angst said:
This forum has reached a new low.
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uhmm, actually someone said this to me and i told him its nonsense, anti-state and anti-establishment groups are already spreading this information among their followers, I just wanted to get an opinion of an Iranian, nothing else
 
ShapurII said:
We have never chosen India over China. This is completely baseless and a fabrication of the Chinese. If you want to talk about the Chabahar Port, it was first offered to you. You were not interested because of the US sanctions. And China was distancing herself from Iran after 2008.

About Russia, it is unfortunate. I personally think that the Chinese are more trustable than the Russians. At least, the history of Iran-China relations is a lot more amicable compared to the history of Iran-Russia relations which has been filled with animosity and mistrust. However, certain factions inside Iran are Russian puppets, in my opinion. There is absolutely no justification for this level of closeness with the Russians.
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No, I'm not talking about the problem of Chabahar Port, the reason for the sanctions in Chabahar Port is also the reason for Ahmadinejad's opposition, China is unlikely to invest heavily in a project that is not very stable in Iran's internal opinions, even if there are no sanctions on such a large project at that time, it is difficult for you to cooperate if you have different internal opinions, the risk is too great, energy cooperation is simple and direct, even if there is a change, the loss will be small, I am mainly talking about the issue of weapons, after the lifting of sanctions on Iranian weapons in 2020, Cheng Fei wants to sell you J-10, I even invited you to visit the J-10, but you chose Russia at that time, and we support you now because we have really seen your hardships, and we have empathy, but now it is not realistic for you to form an air defense and air force in a short period of time, and the construction of an air force system and air defense system is very time-consuming, at least three to five years, so now what you lack is not anyone's help, but to persevere, to find a way to break the situation, even if you are given planes, you can't form combat effectiveness, the current problem is to survive the difficulties, As for cooperation, it depends on which direction you go in the future, in fact, I think it would be better if the Iranian upper echelons gave up their illusions about developing unilateral relations with one side of the party, and it is difficult for Iran to develop multilateral relations at present, and your internal contradictions are still a bit risky
 
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Persian Gulf said:
Israel used 50-80% of its entire air force every day to suppress SSM bases and needed US GBU-57s to destroy Natanz (10-20m underground) and (maybe) Fordow (80m under mountain)
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Persian Gulf said:
this is where Iran's strategic depth comes into play. Iran is way too big for that. look at how many explosives/bombs/shells Russia has thrown at Ukraine in 3 years of war and still most of Ukraine looks largely fine and normal life continues.

and Iran is 3x the size of Ukraine... and Israel lacks the firepower of Russia and has to travel 1500km+ (each way) to deliver that firepower. Israel can't sustain 70% of their entire airforce flying to Iran and back 24/7 forever.
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Israel is known to have over 300 fighter jets. They are:
8 F-15A Eagle (Baz); 6 F-15B Eagle (Baz); 17 F-15C Eagle (Baz); 19 F-15D Eagle (Baz); 25 F-15I Ra’am; ε50 F-16C Fighting Falcon (Barak); 49 F-16D Fighting Falcon (Barak); 97 F-16I Fighting Falcon (Sufa); 39 F-35I Adir

Totaling 340 fighter jets.

With 1,200 sorties in 8 days, we arrive at 2.2x sorties per fighter, which corresponds to one sortie every 2/3 days.

I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Although I recognize that Israel would not be able to maintain this level of activity for a long time, just as Iran would not have missiles for a long time.

Just to clarify: A Nimitz-class carrier carrying an air wing of 44 fighters can easily fly 120 sorties per day and can reach 240 sorties per day.

A PLAN carrier less capable than a US carrier can fly 570 sorties in a week (the Japanese followed suit and literally counted each sortie), which suggests +80 sorties per day.

If a carrier with 44 fighters can fly 120 sorties per day, why wouldn't an air force (IAF) with 7x more fighters be able to do so?

Of course, distance would determine the number of sorties needed to sustain an air campaign, but even so, Israel with 340 fighters could sustainably maintain an air campaign with 50-80 sorties per day in the long term.
 
Persian Gulf said:
nonsense
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"With all that commotion and all those claims, the Zionist regime was practically knocked out and crushed under the blows of the Islamic Republic."

Imam Khamenei
June 26, 2025
 
吃瓜群众 said:
No, I'm not talking about the problem of Chabahar Port, the reason for the sanctions in Chabahar Port is also the reason for Ahmadinejad's opposition, China is unlikely to invest heavily in a project that is not very stable in Iran's internal opinions, even if there are no sanctions on such a large project at that time, it is difficult for you to cooperate if you have different internal opinions, the risk is too great, energy cooperation is simple and direct, even if there is a change, the loss will be small, I am mainly talking about the issue of weapons, after the lifting of sanctions on Iranian weapons in 2020, Cheng Fei wants to sell you J-10, I even invited you to visit the J-10, but you chose Russia at that time, and we support you now because we have really seen your hardships, and we have empathy, but now it is not realistic for you to form an air defense and air force in a short period of time, and the construction of an air force system and air defense system is very time-consuming, at least three to five years, so now what you lack is not anyone's help, but to persevere, to find a way to break the situation, even if you are given planes, you can't form combat effectiveness, the current problem is to survive the difficulties, As for cooperation, it depends on which direction you go in the future, in fact, I think it would be better if the Iranian upper echelons gave up their illusions about developing unilateral relations with one side of the party, and it is difficult for Iran to develop multilateral relations at present, and your internal contradictions are still a bit risky
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The J-10 platform that was pitched to Iran in 2020 was J-10A with a pulse-doppler radar and the Chinese wanted cash. It was simply an unattractive deal for Iran.
 
Persian Gulf said:
this is where Iran's strategic depth comes into play. Iran is way too big for that. look at how many explosives/bombs/shells Russia has thrown at Ukraine in 3 years of war and still most of Ukraine looks largely fine and normal life continues.

and Iran is 3x the size of Ukraine... and Israel lacks the firepower of Russia and has to travel 1500km+ (each way) to deliver that firepower. Israel can't sustain 70% of their entire airforce flying to Iran and back 24/7 forever.

If Bibi's objective is not to destroy underground nuclear sites then bombing random Iranian cities just makes it more likely IRI will be forced to use those sites to go nuclear. so I don't really buy it.

also encouraging that despite the mass internal sabotage (massive intel failure), rumours of commando raids in missile/nuclear sites never materialised. ChatGPT thinks even the GBU-57 taps out around 200m of depth, and even nuclear bunker busters like B-61 are ineffective for anything buried deeper than 200-250m under granite mountains. Hajizadeh said some of Iran's SSM bases are 500m under mountains. So Israel doesn't have many options here other than try to incite regime change, which some say is what their decapitation strikes intended to do (Operation "Rising Lion").
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When I meant Dahiya, I meant they want to destroy air defense to the point where they fly over Iran like Dahiya/Lebanon. Thats the objective they have laid out.
 
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