PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[MH.Yang]

To add to that, the main reason for the F-16's long airframe life is that the initial design allowed for upgrades and a modular architecture design, and the materials and manufacturing techniques have always improved with advances in U.S. aeronautical technology, with excellent systematic life extension plans and maintenance programs. China's aviation industry has learned much, much from the F-16, especially its design and development concepts.

I personally think the F-16 is the greatest fighter in the history of mankind.

 

[guangdongt]

A J35 at the back.

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Cool, which aircraft carrier is this? Shandong or Liaoning

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

A few years ago a big guy on a Chinese military forum said that the F-16 undergoes deep maintenance every 400 hours, which takes about 1500 hours. Pakistani military fans should be more familiar with F-16 than me, let the PDF bigwigs verify if it's true or not.

Don't believe the BIG guy on Chinese defense forums he just a defense enthusiast like me and you no defense contractor can reveal classified maintained information to others unless you're potential customer

 

[iblini]

Cool, which aircraft carrier is this? Shandong or Liaoning

It was in the SAC.

 

[Michael]

In 2024, we produced 1.2 billion smartphones. There is no way we are going to produce manned airplanes at that rate. Either he's exaggerating or he's talking about FPV.

His exact words did. I think you're completely misunderstanding the realization of that statement.

He was referring to the modern Chinese smartphone industry model and frequency of updates.

1. There are countless specialized companies in the smartphone industry that design and produce different parts and components. It These zero-components follow common basic rules. This is similar to the working model of the various fighter jet subsystem companies. For example: radar, engines, cockpit systems, helmet systems, various missile weapons, E/W pods ...... They are designed, developed and manufactured by separate firms, but they all follow common ground rules.

2, Companies like SAC and CAC are the final integrators. They have a lot of similarities with smartphone assembly plants like Foxconn and BYD.

Nowadays, any large customer can utilize these chains to launch their own brand of smartphones in a very short time. They don't need deep R&D and investment in these infrastructures.

So, let's imagine this. If When this model is fully matured, any foreign customer can use this industrial chain in China to quickly customize an advanced fighter jet entirely of their own. They don't need any infrastructure or expertise at all. All they need to do is to put forward their requirements and pay enough to quickly get their own customized and named advanced fighter ......

 

[MH.Yang]

His exact words did. I think you're completely misunderstanding the realization of that statement.

He was referring to the modern Chinese smartphone industry model and frequency of updates.

1. There are countless specialized companies in the smartphone industry that design and produce different parts and components. It These zero-components follow common basic rules. This is similar to the working model of the various fighter jet subsystem companies. For example: radar, engines, cockpit systems, helmet systems, various missile weapons, E/W pods ...... They are designed, developed and manufactured by separate firms, but they all follow common ground rules.

2, Companies like SAC and CAC are the final integrators. They have a lot of similarities with smartphone assembly plants like Foxconn and BYD.

Nowadays, any large customer can utilize these chains to launch their own brand of smartphones in a very short time. They don't need deep R&D and investment in these infrastructures.

So, let's imagine this. If When this model is fully matured, any foreign customer can use this industrial chain in China to quickly customize an advanced fighter jet entirely of their own. They don't need any infrastructure or expertise at all. All they need to do is to put forward their requirements and pay enough to quickly get their own customized and named advanced fighter ......

I understand what you mean. You mean forming a chain like Xiaomi, BYD, Apple. But I don't know if this is good for the country. I don't really want China's military-industrial complex to be too powerful, like the US military-industrial complex. A powerful military-industrial complex will turn the country into a war-monger.

 

[Michael]

I understand what you mean. You mean forming a chain like Xiaomi, BYD, Apple. But I don't know if this is good for the country. I don't really want China's military-industrial complex to be too powerful, like the US military-industrial complex. A powerful military-industrial complex will turn the country into a war-monger.

You're overthinking it. He means to take a page from the fast and advanced industrial model of the smartphone. It's an expectation.

In reality, China's state-owned enterprises, especially the large centrally-directed ones, have a completely different management model than the private large enterprises.

1. When to split? When to merge? end This is entirely up to the central government. They are completely independent of market factors.
2. The top priority of the executives of these enterprises is not the interests of the company, but the interests of the state.
3, Private enterprises can only participate in a small amount in the marginal business of the military industry, and cannot participate in any core business.

This is totally different from private enterprises. We cannot have war mongers like the US military-industrial complex.

 

[MH.Yang]

You're overthinking it. He means to take a page from the fast and advanced industrial model of the smartphone. It's an expectation.

In reality, China's state-owned enterprises, especially the large centrally-directed ones, have a completely different management model than the private large enterprises.

1. When to split? When to merge? end This is entirely up to the central government. They are completely independent of market factors.
2. The top priority of the executives of these enterprises is not the interests of the company, but the interests of the state.
3, Private enterprises can only participate in a small amount in the marginal business of the military industry, and cannot participate in any core business.

This is totally different from private enterprises. We cannot have war mongers like the US military-industrial complex.

I hope it's as you say. 国虽大好战必亡。

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

The F-16 airframe time you're talking about includes mid-life extension upgrades.

F-16 airframe life without life extension is 8,000 hours, the F-16 requires in-depth maintenance every 400 hours and has a wing-body fusion and side-stripe wing design that substantially extends airframe life.

Early JF-17 airframe life without life extension is 4000 hours. I'm not sure about the airframe life of the JF-17blk3 with extensive use of composites. You can refer to the J-10C, which also uses composites, which has an airframe life of 7000 hours.

@arslank01 J-10CE has 7000 hours airframe life

 

[guangdongt]

Engineer interviewed, this is at SAC

 

[iblini]

Engineer interviewed, this is at SAC
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There are four to five J35 in this clip, and according to the batch number, 70 J-15T has already been built, the speed of the production is insane.

 

[Psyko70]

To add to that, the main reason for the F-16's long airframe life is that the initial design allowed for upgrades and a modular architecture design, and the materials and manufacturing techniques have always improved with advances in U.S. aeronautical technology, with excellent systematic life extension plans and maintenance programs. China's aviation industry has learned much, much from the F-16, especially its design and development concepts.

I personally think the F-16 is the greatest fighter in the history of mankind.

For me F16 > F15

 

[imadul]

@Michael
China inducted J10 in 2004.
J10C was induced in 2018.
Pakistan only bought J10CE after platform matured and optimized with AESA, EW, and advanced Data link, etc in 2022, eighteen (18) years later.

Pakistan won't buy J35A now. Possibly a good five, six years after when the platform is relatively matured, and a final engine with improved MTBF and service hrs is also matured.
Right now J35A is still under development IMO.
Similar approach Pakistan took for 039A/Hangor subs, and 054A, bought and inducted ~20 years after.
China developing fast, but their platforms lack battle, operational maturity. Pakistan is their testing field, that serves interest of both sides.
If push comes to shove, Mighty Dragon has to bare its fangs, .... OR, fire

 

[iblini]

There are four to five J35 in this clip, and according to the batch number, 70 J-15T has already been built, the speed of the production is insane.

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[StormBreaker]

Engineer interviewed, this is at SAC
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I can spot atleast 4 J-35/J-35As in these pics. That’s a good start.