India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

Fatman17 said:
Just go your IOK. you'll find the evidence and in your punjab. Hope you can afford the flight ticket from Paris.
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Don't worry for the ticket.
But no punjab (I hate to visit poor country for holidays).
 
alphapak said:
They done after 2019 clash as well when 2 pilots died in a crash a few weeks later.
www.ndtv.com

2 IAF Personnel Killed In Road Accident In Jammu And Kashmir: Cops

The personnel who died are Squadron Leader Rakesh Pandey and Corporal Ajay Kumar.
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During the 2019 clash, Pakistan’s DG ISPR, Major General Asif Ghafoor, clearly stated that two Indian pilots were in their custody—one died at CMH Rawalpindi, and the other, Wing Commander Abhinandan, was handed over to India. The question remains: who was the second pilot?
 
Alex said:
Pakistan should celebrate and show to the world. Pakistan quickly needs deterrence against India.

Indians in their stupidity had made nuclear deterrence a joke.
They were foolishly claiming that they have called Pakistan's nuclear bluff; they can attack deep inside nuclear Pakistan without any consequences. Pakistan needs to address this Indian stupidity quickly before they do something even more devastating for the region, like starting a nuclear war.

Anyone thinking against that possibility should wise up. According to SIPRI, in May Indians already struck Pakistani nuclear facilities.
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I've been repeating this non-stop while low-iq Pakistanis celebrate by circle-j*rking each others over downed jets. Very few people seem to understand that Indians keep escalating very deliberately where now they have reached the sub-nuclear conventional war phase. What these low-iq Pakistanis do not seem to take into account is the lack of massive counter-retaliation that should have came on the morning of the 7th after places in Pakistan were bombed the night before.

I am starting to doubt that 5 or 6 enemy planes were shot down. I think it might have been 1 or 2, but the Pakistanis being South Asians are typical cowards and wanted an off-ramp just like their coward Indian nieghbors - but I give the the Indians credit for the audacity to openly strike Pakistan and get away with it. No one is buying the S400 destroyed or some massive bulls*it attack on May 10th. We literally watched few salvos of missiles being launched by nonchalant soldiers in a field and that was it. This incident has greatly raised the spector of a nuclear war while not a single person here has brought that up. They continue to brag/argue about how many planes were shot down.
 
Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise said:
During the 2019 clash, Pakistan’s DG ISPR, Major General Asif Ghafoor, clearly stated that two Indian pilots were in their custody—one died at CMH Rawalpindi, and the other, Wing Commander Abhinandan, was handed over to India. The question remains: who was the second pilot?
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It was Abhinonedone's long lost distant relative, separated by partition, PAF Wing Commander Chahat Fateh Ali Khan.
 
Metal 0-1 said:
There's a fine line between questioning something and claiming about something.
For the last time I will question claims on both sides till there's clear evidence.
Indians claim about destroying a Saab-2000, I don't believe it. They said we shot down an F-16 I don't believe it. They said Chunian plus 2 other radar sites (can't recall their names) were destroyed but they were intact.


Same with Pakistani claims. 6 Jets sure I can believe that. we're missing just 2 wreckages, There's chatter in Indian spaces too. it's close enough.
S-400! now that sat image PAF showed be honest don't show anything.

All DGISPR needs to do is pay up Chinese to release high resolution images and settle this matter once for all. Chinese firm release Bholari images(paid by India). Why not use the same resource.

I'm not making new claims
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you're right and whole PAF/ACM is wrong

I have sorry to say kid

Your mental disorder has no cure lol
 
Master Chief said:
Permit me to elaborate further.

The underlying assumption you are making though is that a military body should function through necessary transparency in its documentation of actions and a burden of visible proof that is beyond all doubt.

This context simply does not apply for ANY military body anywhere in the world.

A military's objective is to achieve military objectives. Sometimes, in fact usually, that necessitates secrecy.

I don't believe we can safely apply the parameters you wish to see in the PAF, if we wish to preserve the PAF's operational security.

I do not want them sharing irrefutable proof of every kill because, fundamentally, why should we waste and/or compromise the security of our resources/sources, whether those resources/sources are technological or human assets? I am happy to see just enough to achieve a set military (or political) objective.

As an example, if India can be: (a) coerced into establishing a no fly zone for their air force, (b) scrambling and embarrassing themselves with fictional and contradictory narratives in global media, and (c) publicly contradicting the narratives of the most powerful individual in the world (DJT), all from us claiming 6 instead of 7 or 8 kills, then that is fine. A tangible objective has already been attained and no further resources need wasting or risking in this process.

Having said all of that, we have seen in the past anyway, that Pakistan and China both use a slow-cook strategy to embarrass Indian narratives quite late on, probably after they have released 2-3 Bollywood movies claiming otherwise. Delayed infowars have some additional advantages.

Anyway I have banged on enough and I fully appreciate that some folks like more instant gratification. That's fine. Personally, I'm happy to let the enemy stew a bit more indefinitely. PAF has done its job. Politicians definitely need to answer many questions. And we should prepare for the next conflict, which will be much harder for us.
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You have single handedly shapped the direction of the discussion in this thread.

Indeed burden of evildence lies upon India or their silence is a permission to the world (Alen W) to keep adding new chapters to their humiliation. India had started Sindoor, India lost its jets, India is silent, India is humiliated.

We are not losing anything anywhere and don't owe anyone any proof.
 
Alex said:
Pakistan should celebrate and show to the world. Pakistan quickly needs deterrence against India.

Indians in their stupidity had made nuclear deterrence a joke.
They were foolishly claiming that they have called Pakistan's nuclear bluff; they can attack deep inside nuclear Pakistan without any consequences. Pakistan needs to address this Indian stupidity quickly before they do something even more devastating for the region, like starting a nuclear war.

Anyone thinking against that possibility should wise up. According to SIPRI, in May Indians already struck Pakistani nuclear facilities.
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India should destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons that’s the only way to prevent nuclear exchange in the region
 
Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise said:
India should destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons that’s the only way to prevent nuclear exchange in the region
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I agree, only "responsible" global emerging powers should have nuclear weapons like india, North Korea, Iran, and Israel. So when is this going to happen?
 
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