India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

Vox Non Dei said:
India only attacked Pakistan's military May 10th because they had launched a missile towards Delhi.
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Fake news.

India started the aggression killing 50 civilians unprovoked. Still waiting for proof of Paks involvement in the terror attack in IOK, likely hell will freeze over before proof is given.

India attacked thinking it had the upper hand, it lost between 3 to 6 front line jets along with having army posts and air bases hit and claimed hits to S400 radars. Pakistan military attacked with rockets and drones, they didn't even use CMs, BMs or other weapons to manage the escalation. India after getting humiliated jumped right to its best weapons.

So its Indian propaganda saying Pak hit dehli with a missile their operation started on the 10th after repeated Indian aggression.
 
Alex said:
I hope you will answer me without repeating your early answer about strikes. Remember, at the end of the day, two really bad outcomes for Pakistan resulted from these strikes.
1- India's claim that they have busted Pakistan's nuclear deterrence by striking deep inside Pakistan.
2- 40+ innocent Pakistanis died.
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India busted no deterrence. The nuclear deterrence is for a first use policy on the integrity of Pak being threatened, its very misleading to claim nuke deterrence is for all confrontation. Kargil was allot worse.

Yes 50 innocent people died and Pak should have responded much more harder. Team restraint better not show up next time.
 
side-winder said:
Sir, while my heart does agree with you that we should have done the bloodbath that we were cabable of on that night -- And furthermore, we should have struck them on ground -- hard -- the very same morning -- would have sent one hell of a message while they would be trying to recover from the shock --- Even though that could have driven the Indians completely mad and who knows what could follow next.

However, do you really believe PAF on its own could just decide to take out everything they could across the border in the skies? Does the PAF Chief really enjoy that much power?
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Hi,

Well---in the control room---he is the boss---if he had given the order---it would have been done---.

There was no one there to challenge him---.

Read up on Col. Ariel Sharon & his actions in the 1973 Ramzan war---.
 
lightning f57 said:
Fake news.

India started the aggression killing 50 civilians unprovoked. Still waiting for proof of Paks involvement in the terror attack in IOK, likely hell will freeze over before proof is given.

India attacked thinking it had the upper hand, it lost between 3 to 6 front line jets along with having army posts and air bases hit and claimed hits to S400 radars. Pakistan military attacked with rockets and drones, they didn't even use CMs, BMs or other weapons to manage the escalation. India after getting humiliated jumped right to its best weapons.

So its Indian propaganda saying Pak hit dehli with a missile their operation started on the 10th after repeated Indian aggression.
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There's literal videos of a Pakistani BM being intercepted mid-air over Haryana enroute to Delhi
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PA used rockets over CMs and BMs because it barely has any for conventional use, most of them kept as declared nuke delivery platforms. That said, neither did India use any MBRL, tactical BM or even air-to-air missiles. PAF just attacked some Indian jets performing CAP along borders as a war trophy for local consumption. Everything else has no satellite imagery evidence.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Well---in the control room---he is the boss---if he had given the order---it would have been done---.

There was no one there to challenge him---.
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Without taking the more authoritative peope on board? I don’t think that's how things work -- Anywhere in the world -- where one service chief of the junior most service -- can take decisions on his own -- decisions that may end up spinning things totally out of control.
 
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CallSignMaverick said:
There's literal videos of a Pakistani BM being intercepted mid-air over Haryana enroute to Delhi
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PA used rockets over CMs and BMs because it barely has any for conventional use, most of them kept as declared nuke delivery platforms. That said, neither did India use any MBRL, tactical BM or even air-to-air missiles. PAF just attacked some Indian jets performing CAP along borders as a war trophy for local consumption. Everything else has no satellite imagery evidence.
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These missile launches were publicly denounced by Pakistan on TV the very next minute. There is no point of launching one or two missiles randomly. If we meant to attack -- we would launch in numbers like on 10th.

There is no point in arguing over it. You aren't going to believe anyway.
 
CallSignMaverick said:
There's literal videos of a Pakistani BM being intercepted mid-air over Haryana enroute to Delhi
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PA used rockets over CMs and BMs because it barely has any for conventional use, most of them kept as declared nuke delivery platforms. That said, neither did India use any MBRL, tactical BM or even air-to-air missiles. PAF just attacked some Indian jets performing CAP along borders as a war trophy for local consumption. Everything else has no satellite imagery evidence.
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Pak didnt use BM's those videos prove absolutely nothing.

Pak used Rockets, these are like the C team for a response. India used Brahmos, Scalp, Rocks, are they not Indian A game weapons?

Indian couldn't use a-2-a missiles, it wasn't due to the lack of not trying but their aircraft were grounded for a few days and then stayed way back beyond the envelope of PL15.

CallSignMaverick said:
PAF just attacked some Indian jets performing CAP along borders as a war trophy for local consumption.
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You say it so casually like its a walk in the park to knock out advance fighter jets.

Those fighter jets were knocked out for carrying out terror raids in Pak and killing 50 innocent civilians. Its a shame team restraint was in charge and more planes were not knocked out.
 
CallSignMaverick said:
There's literal videos of a Pakistani BM being intercepted mid-air over Haryana enroute to Delhi
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PA used rockets over CMs and BMs because it barely has any for conventional use, most of them kept as declared nuke delivery platforms. That said, neither did India use any MBRL, tactical BM or even air-to-air missiles. PAF just attacked some Indian jets performing CAP along borders as a war trophy for local consumption. Everything else has no satellite imagery evidence.
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Two months later you people are still trying to cope, Dassault CEO said this, some US pilot said that, India used decoys and all other nonsense and now the comedy of PAF attacked some aircraft merely on CAP.
Tell me this, why did IAF go on forced leave for two days, why was India forced to use BrahMos as a last resort, even then Pakistan merely used its FATAH rocket systems and Artillery, Pakistan never felt the need to use it's inventory of missiles like Babur, why.... because after shooting down every frontline aircraft in IAF inventory within first 24 hours and forcing IAF to be grounded, in response to Indian desparation to rely on it's missiles, Pakistani rockets and Artillery was sufficient to make India run for a ceasefire.
 
CallSignMaverick said:
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PA used rockets over CMs and BMs because it barely has any for conventional use, most of them kept as declared nuke delivery platforms. That said, neither did India use any MBRL, tactical BM or even air-to-air missiles. PAF just attacked some Indian jets performing CAP along borders as a war trophy for local consumption. Everything else has no satellite imagery evidence.
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Aditya Raj Kaur is a POS (Not Uncommon amongst Indians). The same POS that lied about Hamas beheading babies and then claims that his friend in Israel saw the photos. Don't quote him here.
 
Vox Non Dei said:
5th may 2025? LOL!


Actually, the strike package was pretty small, very narrow in targeting. Notice, no SEAD and DEAD was done.

If India wanted to do what you are alluding to, it would have opened salvo like Iran. First a wave of 100s of BMs and CMs destroying ADs and airbases followed by air attack.
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IF, Maybe, could be....... FFS take your BS and get lost.
Your CDS admitted that the IAF was grounded for 2 days. You played your cards, and got $hit on your face.
Now deal with it.....

@Musings Another retard ruining a good thread.
 
baqai said:
i think most of your answers should come with ROE (Rules of Engagement), for us it was most probably DO NOT FIRE UNTIL FIRED UPON, the jamming can confuse comms and radars but it cannot bring down an aircraft, all the aircrafts launched their ammunition from their own territory

When someone says "brought down the kill chain" it does not mean literally, he was most probably referring to F2T2EA (Find, Fix, Track, Target, Engage, Assess), since comms and radars were jammed the kill chain was brought down and their air assets were not able to do any damage to our air assets (i will highly appreciate if someone knowledgeable correct my Falcon 4.0ish knowledge :p )

I think a lot more happened during this engagement that we don't know, things will gradually come out
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I understand that aircraft cannot be downed by jamming, etc. But when you have used your EW suites and jammed enemy aircraft. It is for the purpose of the kill. Let's say, if it was the Israeli Air Force, would they have let their enemy live and see another day?
Also remember the tweet said, according to ACM Sindhu, even the satellite links were scuttled. If Indians were not having satellite links and their comms and instruments were jammed, how did they manage to target the desired areas and release the stand-off weapons in jammed mode? Unless someone removed the jam.

As for the rule of engagement, that's what I am arguing about. I am not discussing anything without evidence. I have quoted Dar; he clearly said the order was for restraint; otherwise, more jets could have been shot down. That is the part I don't understand. It shows cowardice and panic. What if the war escalated? There could be no other reason.
The argument that you don't fire until fired upon is the bone of contention here. That's why I keep repeating that the Indians didn't come to the borders with 72 fully loaded jets to shake hands. Why would you give your old enemy a chance to bomb 9 places in your country, which made world headlines, and kill 40+ of your citizens?

That's the logic I just do not understand. Nobody wants to give me the clear answer. This should be a more serious issue for Pakistanis; your citizens died because of these orders.
As for escalation, who says the danger of full-blown war is removed because of these orders? Full-blown war is a serious possibility. Indians are saying so, and they may very well come back to attack Pakistan again. That's why I said, Why delay today's work for tomorrow?
 
Hussain said:
IF, Maybe, could be....... FFS take your BS and get lost.
Your CDS admitted that the IAF was grounded for 2 days. You played your cards, and got $hit on your face.
Now deal with it.....

@Musings Another retard ruining a good thread.
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Their top jets serial# starts with BS, aka cow dung, which is sacred for them. In other parts of the world, BS is like what the most of the Bharati members mostly post....
 
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