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[tsunset]

If Iranian members believe that China won't be willing to sell J-10c or Pakistani JF-17 block 2/3 to them. Then in that case I believe Iran have another option which will solve it's 60-70% of the problems.

L-15B supersonic fighter trainer and light combat aircraft (LCA). It have capacity to carry 3500 kg on 9 hard points. Can carry SD-10 (so got only 100 km BVR). But the radar (PESA) can be exchanged with an AESA.

Also it's going to just cost around 20-25 million dollars.

We're going to secure our whole airspace and ambush F-35s and F-15EX with hundreds of L-15B trainers?

 

[RealNapster]

We're going to secure our whole airspace and ambush F-35s and F-15EX with hundreds of L-15B trainers?

The hypothetical situation / Scenario :

China won't sell J-10c. Won't even talk about giving J-35. Pakistan is afraid of sanctions and won't sell JF-17 directly. SU-35 is too far to come as Russia is both, unreliable as well as incompetent (partially due to the war).

Now what to do ? Wait for the F-35s and F-15Exs or atleast take an initiative that

1. Won't raise eyebrows.
2. Won't be difficult for Iran and China to pull-off.
3. Will actually help train Iranian pilots for future fighter jets (either importer J-10C/J-35 due to changes in geopolitics, or locally developed ones) .

What would you want to do ?

You have to pay attention to the details, I clearly explained the hypothetical situation(twice) in my previous post where we established that let's say what Iranian members here saying is true and China won't sell. And then I also added the point where I said this will help solve 60-70% of Iranian air force problems. I didn't asked you to put L-15B and F-35 to one-vs-one fight, I am not an idiot.

 

[Arash]

I have a hard time imagining Aliyev with his Chechen/Uyghur army and UAE's Instagram influencer MBZ and his Indian/Sudanese mercenaries invading Iran

No, Aliyev will never risk his skin there................. For the Emirate Arabs, we know very well how they fight, it wouldn't be fair for Iran to beat them !

 

[BigMela2onin]

I have a hard time imagining Aliyev with his Chechen/Uyghur army and UAE's Instagram influencer MBZ and his Indian/Sudanese mercenaries invading Iran

Well UAE only has mercs, I wouldn't worry too much about then. Aliyev is a bigger threat and has more to gain but is also more vulnerable to missile strikes.

 

[FUB]

At what point is the establishment going to decide to modernize the Air Force? There was a proposal to purchase 400+ J10Cs in 2016 (according to Tahririeh), but Rohani scrapped the deal to acquire Rafaels. At what point will the Iranian leader accept that Chinese products are very competitive with those from the West? If you look at Chinese electronics, like Autel, they run circles around anything the US or Europeans can field, except for Germany.

40 J-10Cs will cost $2 billion. Add another $2 billion for Chinese AD and AWACS. Pakistan, which has a much inferior economy on all levels, has managed to maintain a modern air force, but Iran cannot. Iran will not purchase 200-300 Gen 4+ fighters from China for $ 20-30 billion, but they can burn that on propelling that coward Assad.

How long before they start showing Kowsar 3 or 4?

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Actually Iranian leadership must realize that only a strong IRAF will bring much needed stability in ME. Right now, balance of power is completely imbalanced, tilted completely in fav of Israel. A balanced Air power scenario will add some element of deterrence so that Israeli growing apatite for expanding wars can be kept in check.

 

[tsunset]

Actually Iranian leadership must realize that only a strong IRAF will bring much needed stability in ME. Right now, balance of power is completely imbalanced, tilted completely in fav of Israel. A balanced Air power scenario will add some element of deterrence so that Israeli growing apatite for expanding wars can be kept in check.

Snapback will come with another arms ban for Iran, China will never sell us anything with that

So it's either make a deal with the US and rebuild IRIAF or make a bomb but never have a strong IRIAF

 

[OldTwilight]

How long before they start showing Kowsar 3 or 4?

Problem is that Iran is in hot war, and no one really want to align itself with Iran ....

So, our best choice to continue our own program ...

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Snapback will come with another arms ban for Iran, China will never sell us anything with that

So it's either make a deal with the US and rebuild IRIAF or make a bomb but never have a strong IRIAF

It is about running the architecture protocol and algorithm in correct order and Iran can have both strong IRAF and a bomb. Problem is they started in wrong order. They failed to see the development in military aviation during last 4 decades despite countless wars particularly since 1991 First Gulf War. That should had serve as a reminder for Iran to concentrate on air power. Even now, they must not touch those destroyed nuclear facilities, cut the deal with US for now. Build air power for next couple of decades including ToT from where ever is possible. Remove nuclear related sanctions. Get J-10Cs, KJ-200 or KJ-500 AEW platform, join China in space program. From Ukraine to Iran to India-Pakistan, it is same story. Conventional capabilities are must. Nuclear is a strategic deterrence, it is deterrence NOT a weapon. Weapons will always be conventional particularly between near peer adversaries. Forget about Bomb for now, continue good work on hypersonic missiles and start building IRAF.

 

[Flotilla]

At what point is the establishment going to decide to modernize the Air Force? There was a proposal to purchase 400+ J10Cs in 2016 (according to Tahririeh), but Rohani scrapped the deal to acquire Rafaels. At what point will the Iranian leader accept that Chinese products are very competitive with those from the West? If you look at Chinese electronics, like Autel, they run circles around anything the US or Europeans can field, except for Germany.

40 J-10Cs will cost $2 billion. Add another $2 billion for Chinese AD and AWACS. Pakistan, which has a much inferior economy on all levels, has managed to maintain a modern air force, but Iran cannot. Iran will not purchase 200-300 Gen 4+ fighters from China for $ 20-30 billion, but they can burn that on propelling that coward Assad.

How long before they start showing Kowsar 3 or 4?

It is not fair. Iran tried (and failed miserably) approaching western countries, starting EU and finally US. JCPOA, Chabahar to India and even contracts with western countries (Imam Khomeini terminal was give to italian company). All of these efforts have been scrapped by POTUS after pulling out JCPOA.

Pakistan gave up many years ago with their nuclear armament. They simply gave up in any rapprochement with any western country. So they were free from 15 years ago to build their deterrence just with China.

Seems that Pakistani point of view were more realistic than Iranian one. Just that.

 

[Flotilla]

Problem is that Iran is in hot war, and no one really want to align itself with Iran ....

I told many times that China needs more Iran than Iran China.

Iran is keeping busy 50.000 US military personnel in the Middle East.

If Iran falls, those 50.000 will go directly to Australia and Philippines to isolate China.

China would find the way to help Iran standing this battle, if snapback sanctions are invoked China will find the way to help Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

I told many times that China needs more Iran than Iran China.

Iran is keeping busy 50.000 US military personnel in the Middle East.

If Iran falls, those 50.000 will go directly to Australia and Philippines to isolate China.

China would find the way to help Iran standing this battle, if snapback sanctions are invoked China will find the way to help Iran.

I believe the Chinese do not care about 50K soldiers as they have the numerical advantage.
Unfortunately for us, not everyone looks at geopolitics through the same lens as ours. We fed the Assad Syria with tens of billions of dollars, only to get abandoned in a heartbeat by that coward. Rational countries prefer to invest in their own capabilities against an archfoe than in third-party actors.

 

[muhammed45]

You people forget the fact that no airforce in the world can counter what Iran faces over Iraq, Syria, Jordan and all the way to Israel.

USA's fleet of 5th generation fighter jets aided by British and French fleet can fly over 300 to 400 fighter jets simultaneously. A combination of F-22-35-15-16, Frenchy Rafale, British jets.

No airforce in the world can down so many fighter jets. Even if we import 200 Su-35 plus 200 J-10c from Russia and China, we will lose air space to western axis stationed at our neighborhood in a couple of hours.

Airforce if not armed with local jets is a useless force.

We have local projects with local plans to keep them safe from a possible sudden attack.

Western axis is strong in the air, we will deny them their point of strength.

That's why Nethanyahu's plan coordinated with NATO/USA failed to achieve their initial objectives. The enemy forces are too many and on our doorstep. It will take time to overcome this immediate threat in the region.

 

[muhammed45]

I told many times that China needs more Iran than Iran China.

Iran is keeping busy 50.000 US military personnel in the Middle East.

If Iran falls, those 50.000 will go directly to Australia and Philippines to isolate China.

China would find the way to help Iran standing this battle, if snapback sanctions are invoked China will find the way to help Iran.

China Iran relationship is based upon mutual respect and friendship with a long root in the history. He needs me, I need him is a bullshit.

 

[Flotilla]

China Iran relationship is based upon mutual respect and friendship with a long root in the history. He needs me, I need him is a bullshit.

China does it happily with Pakistan.