Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Farhan23]

Iran is an energy super power, one of the five energy super powers in the world. What are you talking about? lol

Your analysis is simply wrong.

The poster you replied to is a dedicated troll. He sometimes posts articles and edits and writes his own stuff inside them. He should have been prema-banned long time ago

 

[ShapurII]

During pahlavi we were less independent than saudi arabia!! it was humiliation, they didnt even want to sell that fleeing-king (he always had his luggage ready) surface to surface missiles.

The Shah of Iran explicitly wanted surface-to-surface missiles (SSMs) during the 1970s as part of his broader ambition to transform Iran into a regional military power.

However, his attempts to acquire them were blocked or limited by Western countries, especially the United States, due to nonproliferation concerns and regional strategic sensitivities.

What a load of nonsense. The Shah had the world's 5th largest air force. The IR is a paper tiger, as it was clearly seen during the 12-day war. Even Turkey or Pakistan can defeat the Islamic Republic at this point.

We purchased 80 F-14s from the US instead of those surface-to-surface missiles. The US even declined the sell of F-14s to Israel. It was the US most strategic weapon at the time, like today's F-22. We also were going to receive 160 F-16s by 1980, but the revolution happened.

 

[Bharatah]

Iran is an energy super power, one of the five energy super powers in the world. What are you talking about? lol

Your analysis is simply wrong. They modified the behavior of the regime with the JCPOA with less than zero cost for them. First, they blocked over 150 billion dollars of Iranian money, released less than 10 billion dollars after Iran finished all its obligations under the JCPOA, set back Iran's nuclear program by 10 years without a single bullet, and even completely crippled Iran's decision making for 10 years. None of this would've been achieved had they triggered the snapback mechanism in 2018. That's why Trump pulled out of the JCPOA instead of triggering it.

My friend Where are the scientific evidence that..."set back Iran's nuclear program by 10 years without a single bullet" . Because Israel's narrative says the same thing and we know that Israel has been caught lying several times: 40 beheaded babies, the death of an Iranian general who appeared alive, 500 million in a Lebanese hospital, 99% of missiles shot down, Putin who ordered Iran to stop enriching uranium... etc. Where is the scientific evidence for this narrative?

"None of this would've been achieved had they triggered the snapback mechanism in 2018"

I disagree, because( in 2018) it could not be activated because Iran had not violated anything in it. Only after the US left did Iran increase its enrichment. In 2020, the US tried to activate SNAPBACK but was unable to do so because it was outside of it(JCPO). The question is why Europe did not activate it? If it had been activated (for example, in 2021/2022), Iran would not be able to sell anything to Russia or China, nor buy anything. This, combined with several military attacks, color revolutions(in 2022) would have further weakened Iran. But I will give the answer: I believe they have not activated SNAPBACK yet for fear that Iran will leave the NPT and announce that it has an atomic bomb or even an H-bomb.

 

[Kyussis]

Still more competent than the Ayatollah that bends over backwards to some second-class power like Russia.

Russia-Iran relations have become too humiliating for us.

Ayatollah is still in his seat despite Israel's best attempt at overthrowing him! The U.S told the Shah to F off and he did!!!

 

[ShapurII]

Ayatollah is still in his seat despite Israel's best attempt at overthrowing him! The U.S told the Shah to F off and he did!!!

The Russian-owned Ayatollah isn't even in control of his pants anymore. He says one thing in his speech and the opposite of that happens just a few hours after it.

 

[ShapurII]

My friend Where are the scientific evidence that..."set back Iran's nuclear program by 10 years without a single bullet" . Because Israel's narrative says the same thing and we know that Israel has been caught lying several times: 40 beheaded babies, the death of an Iranian soldier who appeared alive, 500 million in a Lebanese hospital, 99% of missiles shot down, Putin who ordered Iran to stop enriching uranium... etc. Where is the scientific evidence for this narrative?

"None of this would've been achieved had they triggered the snapback mechanism in 2018"

I disagree, because( in 2018) it could not be activated because Iran had not violated anything in it. Only after the US left did Iran increase its enrichment. In 2020, the US tried to activate SNAPBACK but was unable to do so because it was outside of it(JCPO). The question is why Europe did not activate it? If it had been activated (for example, in 2021/2022), Iran would not be able to sell anything to Russia or China, nor buy anything. This, combined with several military attacks, color revolutions(in 2022) would have further weakened Iran. But I will give the answer: I believe they have not activated SNAPBACK yet for fear that Iran will leave the NPT and announce that it has an atomic bomb or even an H-bomb.

Iran went from 13 tones of 3.5% enriched uranium to 300 kg. It is clear what happened. There is no need to explain more.

 

[Kyussis]

What a load of nonsense. The Shah had the world's 5th largest air force. The IR is a paper tiger. Even Turkey can defeat the Islamic Republic at this point.

We purchased 80 F-14s from the US instead of those surface-to-surface missiles. The US even declined the sell of F-14s to Israel. It was the US most strategic weapon at the time, like today's F-22.

the IIAF was reliant on 20 000 U.S contractors to keep it in the air. Do you think the IIAF would ever be allowed to conduct any kind of action that went against U.S interest? If you do, GOD help you!

 

[ShapurII]

the IIAF was reliant on 20 000 U.S contractors to keep it in the air. Do you think the IIAF would ever be allowed to conduct any kind of action that went against U>S interest? If you do, god help you!

No, but that wasn't an issue because Iran didn't intend to go against the US interests. The US strongly supported Iran in every major conflict in the region, why would've Iran gone against the US? Makes no sense.

Do you think you can use Russian Su-35s or the Chinese HQ-9B against them? What sort of a question is that? lol

 

[Kyussis]

No, but that wasn't an issue because Iran didn't intend to go against the US interests. The US strongly supported Iran in every major conflict in the region, why would've Iran gone against the US? Makes no sense.

Do you think you can use Russian Su-35s or the Chinese HQ-9B against them? What sort of a question is that? lol

Your retarded kind's pappy was thrown off his throne by the U.S. The retard him self was thrown of his own throne by the U.S, but you think that there is no reason not to be the U.S's b*tch? If you wanna be the U.S's bitch, that's your problem. Miss me with that sh!t!

 

[ShapurII]

Your retarded kind's pappy was thrown off his throne by the U.S. the retard him self was thrown of his own throne by the U.S but you think that there is no reason not to be the U.S's b*tch? If you wanna be the U.S's bitch, that's your problem!

You can put laughing reactions and repeat the same retarded shit all you want, but everyone is witnessing firsthand how Khamenei is Putin's prostitute and how Iran is being humiliated.

Putin constantly humiliates Khamenei at every turn, c*ckslaps him right and left and Khamenei asks for more next time.

The US helped Iran regain its sovereignty after the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, in fact it was the Soviet Union that did not intend to leave northwest of Iran and it was the US that facilitated a compromise for Iran to regain Iranian Azerbaijan and destroy the republic of Mahabad, they helped us modernize our infrastructure, improved our public image in the world, modernized our army to the point that we fought with Iraq for 8 years with the same air force the Shah had, and you are comparing that to this mess that the Islamic Republic has been. It is ridiculous.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

What a load of nonsense. The Shah had the world's 5th largest air force. The IR is a paper tiger, as it was clearly seen during the 12-day war. Even Turkey or Pakistan can defeat the Islamic Republic at this point.

We purchased 80 F-14s from the US instead of those surface-to-surface missiles. The US even declined the sell of F-14s to Israel. It was the US most strategic weapon at the time, like today's F-22. We also were going to receive 160 F-16s by 1980, but the revolution happened.

He was a consumer/buyer of western weapons (as a way to secure his regime like GCC) which showed that sudden situational change (revolution or change of US policy) would make these weapons and upgrades useless, forcing us to cannibalize our jets to keep them flying.

If he was still alive, maybe we would be forced to fight Russia like how they used Georgia and Ukraine against Russia. Shah would dream of producing hypersonic missiles.

Yeah fighter jets are good, but we can also produce 4500 long range Drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles for the same amount of money spent on 1 fighter jet, which is in my opinion way more effective than a fighter jet which can be shot down or destroyed in a single attack.

 

[Kyussis]

You can put laughing reactions and repeat the same retarded shit all you want, but everyone is witnessing firsthand how Khamenei is Putin's prostitute and how Iran is being humiliated.

Putin constantly humiliates Khamenei at every turn, c*ckslaps him right and left and Khamenei asks for more next time.

The US helped Iran regain its sovereignty after the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, in fact it was the Soviet Union that did not intend to leave northwest of Iran and it was the US that facilitated a compromise for Iran to regain Iranian Azerbaijan and destroy the republic of Mahabad, they helped us modernize our infrastructure, improved our public image in the world, modernized our army to the point that we fought with Iraq for 8 years with the same air force the Shah had, and you are comparing that to this mess that the Islamic Republic has been. It is ridiculous.

Stop wasting my time!

 

[ShapurII]

He was a consumer/buyer of western weapons (as a way to secure his regime like GCC) which showed that sudden situational change (revolution or change of US policy) would make these weapons and upgrades useless, forcing us to cannibalize our jets to keep them flying.

If he was still alive, maybe we would be forced to fight Russia like how they used Georgia and Ukraine against Russia. Shah would dream of producing hypersonic missiles.

Yeah fighter jets are good, but we can also produce 4500 long range Drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles for the same amount of money spent on 1 fighter jet, which is in my opinion way more effective than a fighter jet which can be shot down or destroyed in a single attack.

Iran destroyed the Iraqi armed forces more than once with those weapons while we were going through a revolution and under sanctions. It wasn't a sudden situational change. It's not like a wind blew and things changed out of the blue. The new regime openly went against the US and took their embassy staff hostage for 444 days, started chanting "Death to America" at every gathering. Situational change? As if it weren't in our hands to prevent it from happening and we weren't responsible for that?

Please do not repeat the same flawed analysis again. You will need over +100,000 missiles to compensate for the firepower of an air force, not to mention that your defense capabilities will be almost non-existent without an air force, like we witnessed it quite well just a month ago. We have done the calculation multiple times here. And we have fewer than 5K MRBMs to hit Israel. Some claim the number is even fewer than 3,000 MRBMs at this point.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

The Russian-owned Ayatollah isn't even in control of his pants anymore. He says one thing in his speech and the opposite of that happens just a few hours after it.

Bro this whole "Russia-China owning-Iran-story" is made up by zionists in manoto and (Israel)-international mossad-media.
Remember Chinese stole our islands and put military there? lol. These fits in the same rank of bullshit stories like the ones that khamenei is death (multiple times), his look-a-like is ruling and that he fled to russia multiple times. All western-zionist hopeless propaganda.

 

[ShapurII]

Bro this whole "Russia-China owning-Iran-story" is made up by zionists in manoto and (Israel)-international mossad-media.
Remember Chinese stole our islands and put military there? lol. These fits in the same rank of bullshit stories like the ones that khamenei is death (multiple times), his look-a-like is ruling and that he fled to russia multiple times. All western-zionist hopeless propaganda.

No, it's not. We can clearly see it with our own eyes

1. Who sidelined Iran from Syria talks after 2015?
2. Who undermined Iran's influence in Syria?
3. Who gave away Syria to Turkey on a silver platter?
4. Who delayed the sale of S-300 to Iran for 7 years?
5. Who didn't honor their contract to deliver Sukhoi-35s to Iran?
6. Who delayed the inauguration of the Bushehr nuclear reactor?
7. Who is helping Azerbaijan to cut off Iran from a major geopolitical corridor to Europe?
8. Who forced Iran to accept the new treaty on the Caspian Sea borders?
9. Who allowed 4 rounds of crippling UN Security Council sanctions to be passed against us?
10. Whose ambassador humiliated Iran by restaging the Tehran conference photo with the British ambassador?
11. Who depleted our drone reserves but gave nothing back in return?
12. Who dragged Iran into the Ukraine war to unite Europe against us?

Do I need to say more? Because the list can go on.