Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Ayatollah is still in his seat despite Israel's best attempt at overthrowing him! The U.S told the Shah to F off and he did!!!

The Russian-owned Ayatollah isn't even in control of his pants anymore. He says one thing in his speech and the opposite of that happens just a few hours after it.

 

[ShapurII]

My friend Where are the scientific evidence that..."set back Iran's nuclear program by 10 years without a single bullet" . Because Israel's narrative says the same thing and we know that Israel has been caught lying several times: 40 beheaded babies, the death of an Iranian soldier who appeared alive, 500 million in a Lebanese hospital, 99% of missiles shot down, Putin who ordered Iran to stop enriching uranium... etc. Where is the scientific evidence for this narrative?

"None of this would've been achieved had they triggered the snapback mechanism in 2018"

I disagree, because( in 2018) it could not be activated because Iran had not violated anything in it. Only after the US left did Iran increase its enrichment. In 2020, the US tried to activate SNAPBACK but was unable to do so because it was outside of it(JCPO). The question is why Europe did not activate it? If it had been activated (for example, in 2021/2022), Iran would not be able to sell anything to Russia or China, nor buy anything. This, combined with several military attacks, color revolutions(in 2022) would have further weakened Iran. But I will give the answer: I believe they have not activated SNAPBACK yet for fear that Iran will leave the NPT and announce that it has an atomic bomb or even an H-bomb.

Iran went from 13 tones of 3.5% enriched uranium to 300 kg. It is clear what happened. There is no need to explain more.

 

[Kyussis]

What a load of nonsense. The Shah had the world's 5th largest air force. The IR is a paper tiger. Even Turkey can defeat the Islamic Republic at this point.

We purchased 80 F-14s from the US instead of those surface-to-surface missiles. The US even declined the sell of F-14s to Israel. It was the US most strategic weapon at the time, like today's F-22.

the IIAF was reliant on 20 000 U.S contractors to keep it in the air. Do you think the IIAF would ever be allowed to conduct any kind of action that went against U.S interest? If you do, GOD help you!

 

[ShapurII]

the IIAF was reliant on 20 000 U.S contractors to keep it in the air. Do you think the IIAF would ever be allowed to conduct any kind of action that went against U>S interest? If you do, god help you!

No, but that wasn't an issue because Iran didn't intend to go against the US interests. The US strongly supported Iran in every major conflict in the region, why would've Iran gone against the US? Makes no sense.

Do you think you can use Russian Su-35s or the Chinese HQ-9B against them? What sort of a question is that? lol

 

[Kyussis]

No, but that wasn't an issue because Iran didn't intend to go against the US interests. The US strongly supported Iran in every major conflict in the region, why would've Iran gone against the US? Makes no sense.

Do you think you can use Russian Su-35s or the Chinese HQ-9B against them? What sort of a question is that? lol

Your retarded kind's pappy was thrown off his throne by the U.S. The retard him self was thrown of his own throne by the U.S, but you think that there is no reason not to be the U.S's b*tch? If you wanna be the U.S's bitch, that's your problem. Miss me with that sh!t!

 

[ShapurII]

Your retarded kind's pappy was thrown off his throne by the U.S. the retard him self was thrown of his own throne by the U.S but you think that there is no reason not to be the U.S's b*tch? If you wanna be the U.S's bitch, that's your problem!

You can put laughing reactions and repeat the same retarded shit all you want, but everyone is witnessing firsthand how Khamenei is Putin's prostitute and how Iran is being humiliated.

Putin constantly humiliates Khamenei at every turn, c*ckslaps him right and left and Khamenei asks for more next time.

The US helped Iran regain its sovereignty after the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, in fact it was the Soviet Union that did not intend to leave northwest of Iran and it was the US that facilitated a compromise for Iran to regain Iranian Azerbaijan and destroy the republic of Mahabad, they helped us modernize our infrastructure, improved our public image in the world, modernized our army to the point that we fought with Iraq for 8 years with the same air force the Shah had, and you are comparing that to this mess that the Islamic Republic has been. It is ridiculous.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

What a load of nonsense. The Shah had the world's 5th largest air force. The IR is a paper tiger, as it was clearly seen during the 12-day war. Even Turkey or Pakistan can defeat the Islamic Republic at this point.

We purchased 80 F-14s from the US instead of those surface-to-surface missiles. The US even declined the sell of F-14s to Israel. It was the US most strategic weapon at the time, like today's F-22. We also were going to receive 160 F-16s by 1980, but the revolution happened.

He was a consumer/buyer of western weapons (as a way to secure his regime like GCC) which showed that sudden situational change (revolution or change of US policy) would make these weapons and upgrades useless, forcing us to cannibalize our jets to keep them flying.

If he was still alive, maybe we would be forced to fight Russia like how they used Georgia and Ukraine against Russia. Shah would dream of producing hypersonic missiles.

Yeah fighter jets are good, but we can also produce 4500 long range Drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles for the same amount of money spent on 1 fighter jet, which is in my opinion way more effective than a fighter jet which can be shot down or destroyed in a single attack.

 

[Kyussis]

You can put laughing reactions and repeat the same retarded shit all you want, but everyone is witnessing firsthand how Khamenei is Putin's prostitute and how Iran is being humiliated.

Putin constantly humiliates Khamenei at every turn, c*ckslaps him right and left and Khamenei asks for more next time.

The US helped Iran regain its sovereignty after the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, in fact it was the Soviet Union that did not intend to leave northwest of Iran and it was the US that facilitated a compromise for Iran to regain Iranian Azerbaijan and destroy the republic of Mahabad, they helped us modernize our infrastructure, improved our public image in the world, modernized our army to the point that we fought with Iraq for 8 years with the same air force the Shah had, and you are comparing that to this mess that the Islamic Republic has been. It is ridiculous.

Stop wasting my time!

 

[ShapurII]

He was a consumer/buyer of western weapons (as a way to secure his regime like GCC) which showed that sudden situational change (revolution or change of US policy) would make these weapons and upgrades useless, forcing us to cannibalize our jets to keep them flying.

If he was still alive, maybe we would be forced to fight Russia like how they used Georgia and Ukraine against Russia. Shah would dream of producing hypersonic missiles.

Yeah fighter jets are good, but we can also produce 4500 long range Drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles for the same amount of money spent on 1 fighter jet, which is in my opinion way more effective than a fighter jet which can be shot down or destroyed in a single attack.

Iran destroyed the Iraqi armed forces more than once with those weapons while we were going through a revolution and under sanctions. It wasn't a sudden situational change. It's not like a wind blew and things changed out of the blue. The new regime openly went against the US and took their embassy staff hostage for 444 days, started chanting "Death to America" at every gathering. Situational change? As if it weren't in our hands to prevent it from happening and we weren't responsible for that?

Please do not repeat the same flawed analysis again. You will need over +100,000 missiles to compensate for the firepower of an air force, not to mention that your defense capabilities will be almost non-existent without an air force, like we witnessed it quite well just a month ago. We have done the calculation multiple times here. And we have fewer than 5K MRBMs to hit Israel. Some claim the number is even fewer than 3,000 MRBMs at this point.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

The Russian-owned Ayatollah isn't even in control of his pants anymore. He says one thing in his speech and the opposite of that happens just a few hours after it.

Bro this whole "Russia-China owning-Iran-story" is made up by zionists in manoto and (Israel)-international mossad-media.
Remember Chinese stole our islands and put military there? lol. These fits in the same rank of bullshit stories like the ones that khamenei is death (multiple times), his look-a-like is ruling and that he fled to russia multiple times. All western-zionist hopeless propaganda.

 

[ShapurII]

Bro this whole "Russia-China owning-Iran-story" is made up by zionists in manoto and (Israel)-international mossad-media.
Remember Chinese stole our islands and put military there? lol. These fits in the same rank of bullshit stories like the ones that khamenei is death (multiple times), his look-a-like is ruling and that he fled to russia multiple times. All western-zionist hopeless propaganda.

No, it's not. We can clearly see it with our own eyes

1. Who sidelined Iran from Syria talks after 2015?
2. Who undermined Iran's influence in Syria?
3. Who gave away Syria to Turkey on a silver platter?
4. Who delayed the sale of S-300 to Iran for 7 years?
5. Who didn't honor their contract to deliver Sukhoi-35s to Iran?
6. Who delayed the inauguration of the Bushehr nuclear reactor?
7. Who is helping Azerbaijan to cut off Iran from a major geopolitical corridor to Europe?
8. Who forced Iran to accept the new treaty on the Caspian Sea borders?
9. Who allowed 4 rounds of crippling UN Security Council sanctions to be passed against us?
10. Whose ambassador humiliated Iran by restaging the Tehran conference photo with the British ambassador?
11. Who depleted our drone reserves but gave nothing back in return?
12. Who dragged Iran into the Ukraine war to unite Europe against us?

Do I need to say more? Because the list can go on.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Iran destroyed the Iraqi armed forces more than once with those weapons while we were going through a revolution and under sanctions. It wasn't a sudden situational change. It's not like a wind blew and things changed out of the blue. The new regime openly went against the US and took their embassy staff hostage for 444 days, started chanting "Death to America" at every gathering. Situational change? As if it weren't in our hands to prevent it from happening and we weren't responsible for that?

Please do not repeat the same flawed analysis again. You will need over +100,000 missiles to compensate for the firepower of an air force, not to mention that your defense capabilities will be almost non-existent without an air force, like we witnessed it quite well just a month ago. We have done the calculation multiple times here. And we have fewer than 5K MRBMs to hit Israel. Some claim the number is even fewer than 3,000 MRBMs at this point.

I never said fighter jets are ineffective or not usable, but it is how it is now, revolution happened and we're in a new situation, life goes on, accept the history. You can't rely solely on westerners, they're not even selling their last and best fighter jet to Turkey (biggest NATO ally which supported them to secure Israel).

I always disagreed with any bad policy from Islamic republic, I mean the big-mouth policy, fueling western and zionist propaganda, althout the westerners kill and destroy countries in practise (Iran only chants).

But all of this doesnt change the facts: Iran is one of the most independent countries in the world, in top 3. We can't be used as a proxy against any country, we can't be forced not to produce certain weapons for our self-defence. We make our own decisions and agreements based on our own interest.

That we have not produce the amount is an organisational/logistical issue, not a technical or financial. So that was our own choice, it's not impossible and once done the enemy will be helpless (see Russia example, from importing shaheds, they are now MASS producing and MASS firing GERAN Drones).

I think the enemy was fearing this break-out (with Fateh just being introduced few years) and decided to attack. I will repeat my analysis, make a 1 to 1 comparison, price and risk for a fighter jet (including maintenance, weapons,) VS Long range Drones, Cruise and ballistic missiles. Investment in Drones and Missiles is also investment in development and technology because we keep them improving and complements other programs (space program for example). The fighter jet which you buy is foreign, you have to build the environment around it and once sabotaged, attacked or shot down by a better fighter jet, all your investment will be lost. So lets agree to disagree.

 

[ShapurII]

I never said fighter jets are ineffective or not usable, but it is how it is now, revolution happened and we're in a new situation, life goes on, accept the history. You can't rely solely on westerners, they're not even selling their last and best fighter jet to Turkey (biggest NATO ally which supported them to secure Israel).

I always disagreed with any bad policy from Islamic republic, I mean the big-mouth policy, fueling western and zionist propaganda, althout the westerners kill and destroy countries in practise (Iran only chants).

But all of this doesnt change the facts: Iran is one of the most independent countries in the world, in top 3. We can't be used as a proxy against any country, we can't be forced not to produce certain weapons for our self-defence. We make our own decisions and agreements based on our own interest.

That we have not produce the amount is an organisational/logistical issue, not a technical or financial. So that was our own choice, it's not impossible and once done the enemy will be helpless (see Russia example, from importing shaheds, they are now MASS producing and MASS firing GERAN Drones).

I think the enemy was fearing this break-out (with Fateh just being introduced few years) and decided to attack. I will repeat my analysis, make a 1 to 1 comparison, price and risk for a fighter jet (including maintenance, weapons,) VS Long range Drones, Cruise and ballistic missiles. Investment in Drones and Missiles is also investment in development and technology because we keep them improving and complements other programs (space program for example). The fighter jet which you buy is foreign, you have to build the environment around it and once sabotaged, attacked or shot down by a better fighter jet, all your investment will be lost. So lets agree to disagree.

We have cornered ourselves globally. Iranians are being treated worse than Jews in the World War II, short of them sending us to concentration camps and gassing us to death. Although, one could possibly argue that they did gas Iranians to death in the Iraq-Iran war.

Iran is far from independent. An independent nation would build the bomb instead of wasting her limited resources under sanctions on a civilian program that was not enough to satisfy our energy needs, and only was being used as a justification to sanction us and target us in war. Even before they obliterated our civilian nuclear program, it took us 10 years to produce enough fuel for just one year of operating the single nuclear reactor at Bushehr! Treason at its finest.

I really love how you guys pretend that our missiles and drones are built 100% inside Iran. This is so wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin with. A nation that is 100% independent does not fire 1,000 drones in 12 days. It fires 10,000 drones in 12 days.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

No, it's not. We can clearly see it with our own eyes

1. Who sidelined Iran from Syria talks after 2015?
2. Who undermined Iran's influence in Syria?
3. Who gave away Syria to Turkey on a silver platter?
4. Who delayed the sale of S-300 to Iran for 7 years?
5. Who didn't honor their contract to deliver Sukhoi-35s to Iran?
6. Who delayed the inauguration of the Bushehr nuclear reactor?
7. Who is helping Azerbaijan to cut off Iran from a major geopolitical corridor to Europe?
8. Who forced Iran to accept the new treaty on the Caspian Sea borders?
9. Who allowed 4 rounds of crippling UN Security Council sanctions to be passed against us?
10. Whose ambassador humiliated Iran by restaging the Tehran conference photo with the British ambassador?
11. Who depleted our drone reserves but gave nothing back in return?
12. Who dragged Iran into the Ukraine war to unite Europe against us?

Do I need to say more? Because the list can go on.

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1. More so for USA than Russia
2. West more than Russia
3. West more than Russia
4. West more than Russia (arms embargo), although Russians played a game and we know each country has its own interest. Better receicing it late than never.
5. Better delay than never receiving any.
6. Better delay than never receiving any.
7. Israel, Turkey, Azerbayjan and lesser extent West. Russia not perse, Iran warned Russia that this is a red line, showing independent policy from Iran and not puppetry as you claim.
8. Russia together with the states bordering Caspian, but the outcome is not clear yet. Good thing is that no external party is allowed to enter Caspian (be it NATO allied countries or USA).
9. US, CHINA, ALL West, chasing their own interests.
10. Like how Rouhani was humiliated in Rome, through statues/art/pics?
11. Russia has it's own interests, Iran sold the drones (not for free) and it was a good marketing for our weapons. I'm not sure if Russia will sell anything back in turn, maybe yes, maybe no, wait and see.
12. No one, it was our own decision. Europe and USA gave chemical weapons to Saddam, we introduced our devestating drones to Europe.

If you search only for negative sides of our relation with certain countries, you will only find negative outcomes. But if you think with an open mind, denouncing both western and eastern propaganda, but agreeing that both west and east have and follow their own interests, then you'll see that the situation is not one-sided as you think.

For example: In December 1917, the Soviet government under Lenin formally annulled all Tsarist treaties with Iran, including:

• The 1907 Anglo-Russian Convention, which had divided Iran into spheres of influence.
• Other unequal treaties giving Russia military or economic privileges.
• Soviet Russia declared it respected Iran’s independence and territorial integrity.
• West supported chemical attacks against Iranian soldiers who captured strategic Faw
• West supported separation of HERAT and Bahrain from Iran
• West currently supports separatists, Russia and China don't.

You see, it's not black and white bro. You like Shah? watch here "delay-games" by France against Shah.

 

[ShapurII]

1. More so for USA than Russia
2. West more than Russia
3. West more than Russia
4. West more than Russia (arms embargo), although Russians played a game and we know each country has its own interest.
5. Better delay than never receiving any.
6. Better delay than never receiving any.
7. Israel and west, Russia not perse. Iran warned Russia it's a red line, showing independent policy from Iran and not puppetry as you claim.
8. Russia together with the states bordering Caspian, but the outcome is not clear yet. Good thing is that no external party is allowed to enter Caspian (be it NATO allied countries or USA).
9. US, CHINA, ALL West, chasing their own interests.
10. Like how Rouhani was humiliated in Rome, through statues/art/pics
11. Russia has it's own interests, Iran sold the drones (not for free) and it was a good marketing for our weapons. I'm not sure if Russia will sell anything back in turn, maybe yes, maybe no, wait and see.
12. No one, it was our own decision. Europe and USA gave chemical weapons to Saddam, we introduced our devestating drones to Europe.

You just discredited yourself by writing this stupid, hilarious comment. You couldn't come up with even a single meaningful argument except for deflecting like Hack-Hook when you talk about the reformists to him. Everyone can see that Russia is treating Iran like a wh*re. You will never be looked again as a patriot after all this bullshit peddling.

Your KGB-trained Grand Ayatollah, who was groomed by Russia to rule over Iran, is ruining Iran and will ruin Iran unless stopped forcefully. Hopefully, he will die or be killed before that happens but the system he has created in the last 35 years is a ticking bomb that will explode soon.

If you search only for negative sides of our relation with certain country, you will only see the bad things. But if you think with an open mind, denouncing both western and eastern propaganda, but agreeing that both west and east have and follow their own interests, then you can see that the situation is not one-sided as you think.

For example: In December 1917, the Soviet government under Lenin formally annulled all Tsarist treaties with Iran, including:

• The 1907 Anglo-Russian Convention, which had divided Iran into spheres of influence.
• Other unequal treaties giving Russia military or economic privileges.
• Soviet Russia declared it respected Iran’s independence and territorial integrity.
• West supported chemical attacks against Iranian soldiers who captured strategic Faw
• West supported separation of HERAT and Bahrain from Iran
• West currently supports separatists, Russia and China don't.

You see, it's not black and white bro.

Soviet Russia declared it respected Iran's independence and territorial integrity? How can you lie so easily? Soviet Russia instigated separatism in Azerbaijan, Mahabad and Guilan.

Russia was the first country to sign the Emirates claims on our 3 islands. They literally started the trend. What a pathetic liar.