Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Cash gk]

Indian Air Force becomes first air force in the world to crash 550+ aircraft in the last 30 years.

 

[rafale]

Our fighters didn't actually cross into indian side. However, as a matter of fact, they were flying pretty close to LoC / IB to launch the munitions. Couple of them literally turning around from exactly over the LoC. Whereas, the western bases of IAF were silent as a grave. No scrambles or anything like that. The only persistent threat was the SAMs. And couple of our planes were actually locked however, got lucky to break the locks with quick manuvers.

That's straight from "horses mouth" that i can say on a personal note with 100% surety. Same thing about IAF's absence repeated by AM (R) Arshad Malik and former CAS Sohail Aman when PAF was hovering around the borders.

Having random friend's friend sort of sources don't really help - trust me. I don't discredit your source but may be he just didn't have the right information. The air forces have dozens of branches. Mostly ground branches incl logistics, accounts, education, etc - The personnel of these branches have absolutely zero knowledge about the Ops parameters and facts and mostly rely on hearsay within the airforce just as a common civilian does. Unless you directly heard from someone sitting on console with radar picture. Or someone at other key Ops seat. You can't really take your "insider" info as credible.

@side-winder bhai, again its hard to believe that their S-400s weren't working or launching missiles at PAF jets over LOC?

 

[BlackenTheSky]

Off topic ....but it was one of the only incident of its kind....pilot deliberately crashed plane with passengers on board....Indians are dangerouly stupid type of human species....

Actually No, there are many incidents where pilots deliberately crashed planes with passengers onboard. There are few instances (ex german wings flight 9525) but I don’t want to talk here as it will be off topic.

 

[Sal12]

• Releasing footage of firing Fatah rockets in media towards India by DG ISPR (or the military) is considered acceptable.
• Making claims of targeting more than a dozen Indian bases by DG ISPR (or military) is also acceptable.
• Showing clips of Indian media acknowledging Pakistan’s strikes on Indian bases in DG ISPR’s press conference is also acceptable.

However, when it comes to the lack of satellite images or evidence of any destruction caused by Pakistan’s strikes, I often see the following excuses:

1. “This is not how the Pakistan Army operates — they take time to release footage.”
2. “There is no need for the Pakistan Army to show satellite images or any hard proof because the world has already accepted Pakistan’s narrative.”
3. “Pakistan does not want to escalate the situation, so it chooses not to release proof of the destruction.”
4. “The whole world knows about the destruction of Indian bases, so there is no need to show anything.
5. Indian military officer admitted that Pak strikes caused limited damages to personnel and equipment".

The reality is that there is no proof of any major destruction caused to Indian bases; otherwise, DG ISPR would have shown it on day one.

This is embarrassing where we have seen the satellite images of damages on Pak bases by Brahmos but we don't have any except one. The truth is that Pak failed badly to hit Indian bases and caused any destruction compared to what India did to ours.

Also that person should be court martialled who ordered to fire rockets towards India when India was hitting our main bases with super sonic missiles but then we all know he made himself FM.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[TAC]

• Releasing footage of firing Fatah rockets in media towards India by DG ISPR (or the military) is considered acceptable.
• Making claims of targeting more than a dozen Indian bases by DG ISPR (or military) is also acceptable.
• Showing clips of Indian media acknowledging Pakistan’s strikes on Indian bases in DG ISPR’s press conference is also acceptable.

However, when it comes to the lack of satellite images or evidence of any destruction caused by Pakistan’s strikes, I often see the following excuses:

1. “This is not how the Pakistan Army operates — they take time to release footage.”
2. “There is no need for the Pakistan Army to show satellite images or any hard proof because the world has already accepted Pakistan’s narrative.”
3. “Pakistan does not want to escalate the situation, so it chooses not to release proof of the destruction.”
4. “The whole world knows about the destruction of Indian bases, so there is no need to show anything.
5. Indian military officer admitted that Pak strikes caused limited damages to personnel and equipment".

The reality is that there is no proof of any major destruction caused to Indian bases; otherwise, DG ISPR would have shown it on day one.

This is embarrassing where we have seen the satellite images of damages on Pak bases by Brahmos but we don't have any except one. The truth is that Pak failed badly to hit Indian bases and caused any destruction compared to what India did to ours.

Also that person should be court martialled who ordered to fire rockets towards India when India was hitting our main bases with super sonic missiles but then we all know he made himself FM.

Damage on Pakistan side is confirmed as limited / easily repairable by multiple reliable sources including seniors on this forum with track record of integrity / contacts and impartial reporting. You are saying ‘no proof of any major destruction caused to Indian bases’ and I have no reason to dispute that view.
So if no major damage confirmed / agreed on both sides, I struggle to understand this persistent demand for satellite images. What are you expecting them to show / prove? However I do understand Indians pushing this irrelevant issue as it takes the discussion away from their humiliation in the air battle. By the way, Have you seen any Indian’s asking for anyone on their side to be Court Martialed for that debacle? Point worth pondering?
You desperate to see what physical damage was done to India in a sphere where none was done to Pakistan, go look at the details of their top jets that got shot down all over including their most expensive and best Ra-fail. 4th one now being confirmed?

 

[Watandar]

Off topic ....but it was one of the only incident of its kind....pilot deliberately crashed plane with passengers on board....Indians are dangerouly stupid type of human species....

Off topic but there have been several incidents of pilot suicide in last 25 years from EgyptAir, Germanwings and Malaysian Airlines. In Pakistan, pilot incompetence and stupidity has resulted in two crashes Airblue Islamabad 2010 and PIA in Karachi 2020.

 

[Baibers_1260]

• Releasing footage of firing Fatah rockets in media towards India by DG ISPR (or the military) is considered acceptable.
• Making claims of targeting more than a dozen Indian bases by DG ISPR (or military) is also acceptable.
• Showing clips of Indian media acknowledging Pakistan’s strikes on Indian bases in DG ISPR’s press conference is also acceptable.

However, when it comes to the lack of satellite images or evidence of any destruction caused by Pakistan’s strikes, I often see the following excuses:

1. “This is not how the Pakistan Army operates — they take time to release footage.”
2. “There is no need for the Pakistan Army to show satellite images or any hard proof because the world has already accepted Pakistan’s narrative.”
3. “Pakistan does not want to escalate the situation, so it chooses not to release proof of the destruction.”
4. “The whole world knows about the destruction of Indian bases, so there is no need to show anything.
5. Indian military officer admitted that Pak strikes caused limited damages to personnel and equipment".

The reality is that there is no proof of any major destruction caused to Indian bases; otherwise, DG ISPR would have shown it on day one.

This is embarrassing where we have seen the satellite images of damages on Pak bases by Brahmos but we don't have any except one. The truth is that Pak failed badly to hit Indian bases and caused any destruction compared to what India did to ours.

Also that person should be court martialled who ordered to fire rockets towards India when India was hitting our main bases with super sonic missiles but then we all know he made himself FM.

Interesting observations:
Could you respond to the two posts below:
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[Vkdindian1]

• Releasing footage of firing Fatah rockets in media towards India by DG ISPR (or the military) is considered acceptable.
• Making claims of targeting more than a dozen Indian bases by DG ISPR (or military) is also acceptable.
• Showing clips of Indian media acknowledging Pakistan’s strikes on Indian bases in DG ISPR’s press conference is also acceptable.

However, when it comes to the lack of satellite images or evidence of any destruction caused by Pakistan’s strikes, I often see the following excuses:

1. “This is not how the Pakistan Army operates — they take time to release footage.”
2. “There is no need for the Pakistan Army to show satellite images or any hard proof because the world has already accepted Pakistan’s narrative.”
3. “Pakistan does not want to escalate the situation, so it chooses not to release proof of the destruction.”
4. “The whole world knows about the destruction of Indian bases, so there is no need to show anything.
5. Indian military officer admitted that Pak strikes caused limited damages to personnel and equipment".

The reality is that there is no proof of any major destruction caused to Indian bases; otherwise, DG ISPR would have shown it on day one.

This is embarrassing where we have seen the satellite images of damages on Pak bases by Brahmos but we don't have any except one. The truth is that Pak failed badly to hit Indian bases and caused any destruction compared to what India did to ours.

Also that person should be court martialled who ordered to fire rockets towards India when India was hitting our main bases with super sonic missiles but then we all know he made himself FM.

Most people are trying to do this because they don’t want to accept a simple fact that, attacking India on ground was poorly planned and executed.
How can we fail having shot down Indian fighters is the premise for this display of hubris.

The decision to fire rockets was a very poor one. Even bigger failure was not assessing this in time and making necessary changes. In a developing scenario the change should have been faster to adopt a better strategy.
It has been also confirmed that even PAF was in action and firing weapons. The type of weapons and the targets aren’t known except an attempt to take down S400. There is no proof of their success either. Surprising, since PAF is more focused and better planner than PA.

 

[Areesh]

Indian Air Force becomes first air force in the world to crash 550+ aircraft in the last 30 years.
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Allah mazeed himmat aur isteqamat dai

 

[flyingorca]

Most people are trying to do this because they don’t want to accept a simple fact that, attacking India on ground was poorly planned and executed.
How can we fail having shot down Indian fighters is the premise for this display of hubris.

The decision to fire rockets was a very poor one. Even bigger failure was not assessing this in time and making necessary changes. In a developing scenario the change should have been faster to adopt a better strategy.
It has been also confirmed that even PAF was in action and firing weapons. The type of weapons and the targets aren’t known except an attempt to take down S400. There is no proof of their success either. Surprising, since PAF is more focused and better planner than PA.

India got slapped and Pakistan was the last to slap and India was the last to get slapped before the ceasefire. Simple as that. Now worry that next time Pakistan will use a bigger slap if India does not behave.
Pakistan used rockets because that was appropriate response since they already shot down 6 IAF jets which gave them upper hand. The strikes on PAF bases was minimal, even Iran damged IDF bases.
If India did not lose S400 radar then why did Modi pose infront of just Missile launchers to prove No S400 radar waa destroyed?
The thing with Indians is that even if a IAF shot down wreckage falls on their head they will first lable it Pakistani, then ask grok, then wait for BJP statement, deny all neutral sources and then just play it off.

 

[Yasser76]

The design choices of airbases, in particular to the one you refer to, amongst others are odd. Sargodha AB was knocked out for several hours while the runways were repaired both down to poor design, and lack of adequate redundancy in the lack of runways, also in the design of the airbases. It was shocking to hear Sargodha was knocked out for several hours, it is such an important airbase as well.

Sarghoda has a duel runway, one of a very few air bases in South Asia with one

 

[PakistaniDefender]

India got slapped and Pakistan was the last to slap and India was the last to get slapped before the ceasefire

I think our air bases Bholari, Shehbaz etc were attacked after BuM

 

[Baibers_1260]

Most people are trying to do this because they don’t want to accept a simple fact that, attacking India on ground was poorly planned and executed.
How can we fail having shot down Indian fighters is the premise for this display of hubris.

The decision to fire rockets was a very poor one. Even bigger failure was not assessing this in time and making necessary changes. In a developing scenario the change should have been faster to adopt a better strategy.
It has been also confirmed that even PAF was in action and firing weapons. The type of weapons and the targets aren’t known except an attempt to take down S400. There is no proof of their success either. Surprising, since PAF is more focused and better planner than PA.

That's fine.
Let's go by the Indian narrative and then analyze:
So accepting the Indian narrative:

• Not a "single pane of glass" was broken in Pakistani missile strikes.
• Every single missile Pakistan sent was intercepted.
• No satellite pictures of successful hits from Pakistan
• Massive damage to Pakistan's air bases and assets
• Massive damage to Pakistan's. nuclear capability

Now the questions:

A. Tactical:

1. Did India completely destroy Pakistan's, air defense systems, its airforce and airfields ?
2. Has India provided satellite pictures of "complete destruction " of airbases like Israel has provided on attacks on Iranian, Syrian airbases?
3. How many aircraft did India destroy on the ground in strikes on airbases in Pakistan ?
4. Has India provided satellite or drone pictures of destroyed aircraft similar to the way Ukraine has provided on destruction of Russian aircraft on Engels and other airbases.
5. Does India control air space over Pakistan, and are Indian combat aircraft currently operating over Pakistan?

B. Strategic and Diplomatic:

1. Since "India has won the war", why did India accept "Pakistan's request" for a ceasefire, instead of demanding a complete surrender and occupation like in East Pakistan in 1971 ?
2. Why a diplomatic initiative by sending delegations to multiple countries to "explain India's position" in the war which it won? Why was there no such diplomatic activity in previous wars that India "won" in 1965, 1971, 1999, 2019 ?
3. Since India has won the war (ceasefire is irrelevant) why are there official announcements saying the operation is paused and the ceasefire is temporary?
4. If the operational pause is temporary what sanctions or military control over Pakistan's borders, ports and airspace are in force, to prevent Pakistan from replenishing its weapons stockpiles and repairing its airbases? Example: Israel has a tight control over the air,land, sea borders over. Gaza, and prevents the enemy from renewing its weapons stockpiles.
5. How are Pakistani VIP, and commercial aircraft flying through the airspace of India's allies such as UAE, and Russia? Or more importantly how are these aircraft entering the USA which is India's QUAD ally? Example: Israel ensures Iranian aircraft don't fly through 80% of the established air routes through Europe, Middle East and North America,
6. How does Pakistan's surviving military "terrorist" leadership manage to travel outside Pakistan without fear of assassination by India?
7. How successful has India been in decapitating Pakistan's military leadership?
8. Why do India's generals have to go the international media and attend interviews then making vague statements admitting "losses ", and "numbers not important " etc ?. Example: Israeli generals give no such interviews on "losses"
9. As a $5 trillion economy and the world's third most powerful military power, why has India failed to get a condemnation of Pakistan at any regional or international forum ( BRICS, QUAD, UN, SCO, SAARC, G-7 ).?

@Master Chief @Assault Rifle @Pak Shaheen @nahtanbob @PK781 @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @pwfi @Corax @TOPGUN

 

[Vkdindian1]

Sarghoda has a duel runway, one of a very few air bases in South Asia with one

Dual runway is great to have if they are parallel. A strike on one runway wouldn’t be able to stop the operations.

However, Sargodha has cross runways. Indian missile struck exactly at the intersection of these, rendering them both non operational.

The taxi track was still available though and could have been used to continue with take offs and landings. The number of aircraft that can take off and land is likely to be reduced while using only taxi tracks.