Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

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[PakAl]

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@Tariq Habib Afridi
@Rationalist

Please talk about Pakistan Afghanistan issues on this thread, not the J35 one.

We must understand it's a very complex situation. Afghanistan is run by militias and warlords, the Taliban are in power but they don't control all of Afghanistan security, when Nato couldn't then how can the Taliban. Taliban has ISIS on its back, they don't want to fight anyone else, eespecially ttp who are taliban allies for 20+ years.

Pakistan needs to play good politics, slowly align their interests with the Taliban and then together fight for shared interests.

 

[White Privilege]

Yes that is why I said "Bullet Magnet".

Whoever came up with this brilliant idea has no care for the poor soldiers who will be stuck inside that tin can like sardines.

It is not meant to be deployed alone but fellow defending soldiers would be , ideally, counter attacking under its covering fire from a raised position. Also it needs to have good escape route by its door if need arises.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I'm surprised at how you wrote an article, totally ignoring the fact that we lose security personnel daily because they don't want to control TTP. Because they are using it as a leverage against Pakistan for years. Hundreds of children, men and women in Pakistan killed due to terrorism coming from Afghanistan? How did you ignore all that?

I've had sittings with Afghans. Recently and all the way back in my college days. Nothing has changed, they HATE us. They think every bad thing that has happened to their country is because Pakistan. The narrative is so thick and dense, that one feels like hitting their head against the wall. There is no two ways around it. We've also seen them align with everything anti-Pakistani across the globe with India.

@RajaBaja I never denied above things. I agree we are losing security personal daily and they are not controling TTP. I also believe whoever kill any innocent person be it muslim or non muslim that is against Islam for which i can qoute numerous verse from quran and hadees (surah al maida 32, Sura nisa 48, 16, Bukhari 3166, tirmizi 1395, 2032, 3029 Ibn e Majah 2619, 3932, 2621).

I also agree with your setting paragraphs especially most of them really thing every thing bad happened their is because of pakistan. but we also hate and think like that. instead of puting or house in order we are blaming every other foreign agency. we also hate them we also dis respect and abuse them?

Now coming to the solution end. Should we continue like this? what is the way forward? when i am saying that their current goverment that is taliban have deobandi ideology and most of them are pathan then we can achieve peace using deobandi ulema from pakistan and pathans. why and who killed maulana sami ul haq? they (taliban) considered him like a father but he is now dead lets leave that also we still have their teachers from madrassa haqqaniya, we still have mufti taqi usmani which they regard very highly and we can achieve peace if we genuinely try. i believe pak establishment have never understand and rationally and genuinely never tried to achive peace. and slowly slowly after peace is reached we can change their people and our people mind change.

But there are many issues which people from this side also dont understand? like what is afghan----do? using these words you are actually not just angering people of afghanistan but also pathan people from KPK and balochistan. afghan means pashtoon. please search this. if you say afghanistan or people of afghanistan that is okay but if you use afghan and afghani these words must be avoided as all pathans are by caste afghan. there are many more mis-understandings which people from this side of border dont understand and unintentionally or unknowingly they are spreading hate even within pakistani people too. and if tomorrow people which even dont know this basic info stand and tell us that you dont understand and peace cannot be achieved etc that surely make us annoying because we know you people or unknowingly making this thing worse

 

[RajaBaja]

@RajaBaja I never denied above things. I agree we are losing security personal daily and they are not controling TTP. I also believe whoever kill any innocent person be it muslim or non muslim that is against Islam for which i can qoute numerous verse from quran and hadees (surah al maida 32, Sura nisa 48, 16, Bukhari 3166, tirmizi 1395, 2032, 3029 Ibn e Majah 2619, 3932, 2621).

I also agree with your setting paragraphs especially most of them really thing every thing bad happened their is because of pakistan. but we also hate and think like that. instead of puting or house in order we are blaming every other foreign agency. we also hate them we also dis respect and abuse them?

Now coming to the solution end. Should we continue like this? what is the way forward? when i am saying that their current goverment that is taliban have deobandi ideology and most of them are pathan then we can achieve peace using deobandi ulema from pakistan and pathans. why and who killed maulana sami ul haq? they (taliban) considered him like a father but he is now dead lets leave that also we still have their teachers from madrassa haqqaniya, we still have mufti taqi usmani which they regard very highly and we can achieve peace if we genuinely try. i believe pak establishment have never understand and rationally and genuinely never tried to achive peace. and slowly slowly after peace is reached we can change their people and our people mind change.

But there are many issues which people from this side also dont understand? like what is afghan----do? using these words you are actually not just angering people of afghanistan but also pathan people from KPK and balochistan. afghan means pashtoon. please search this. if you say afghanistan or people of afghanistan that is okay but if you use afghan and afghani these words must be avoided as all pathans are by caste afghan. there are many more mis-understandings which people from this side of border dont understand and unintentionally or unknowingly they are spreading hate even within pakistani people too. and if tomorrow people which even dont know this basic info stand and tell us that you dont understand and peace cannot be achieved etc that surely make us annoying because we know you people or unknowingly making this thing worse

I'll try to make it short and simple. We CAN'T always play nice. Afghanistan hates us and supports anti-Pakistan activities, we call them "brotherly country" for like 50 years now since 1975. India attacks us at night and again in the day time, we call them "neighbors" and talk about "responsibility".

I JUST watched French President's yesterday's speech. He is doubling French defense budget by 2027.
He says "to live in the world, you have to be strong militarily and be able to put forceful influence in". THAT applies on Pakistan now.

Enough of the "brotherly country" rant for like 45 years now. Enough of "we can't change neighbors" and have to be "responsible" rant. Next time if May is repeated, Bunyan-ul-Marsos needs to start the second Indian jets fired into Pakistani airspace on May 6, not on May 10th. THAT is the ONLY language both TTP and their Indian masters will understand. We can't let our people's blood be so cheap that its available to TTP and India at will. When you slap them back a few times, proper negotiations will ONLY happen then and I agree at that point, talk to resolve things. But only when talk makes sense.

 

[Farhan23]

@RajaBaja I never denied above things. I agree we are losing security personal daily and they are not controling TTP. I also believe whoever kill any innocent person be it muslim or non muslim that is against Islam for which i can qoute numerous verse from quran and hadees (surah al maida 32, Sura nisa 48, 16, Bukhari 3166, tirmizi 1395, 2032, 3029 Ibn e Majah 2619, 3932, 2621).

I also agree with your setting paragraphs especially most of them really thing every thing bad happened their is because of pakistan. but we also hate and think like that. instead of puting or house in order we are blaming every other foreign agency. we also hate them we also dis respect and abuse them?

Now coming to the solution end. Should we continue like this? what is the way forward? when i am saying that their current goverment that is taliban have deobandi ideology and most of them are pathan then we can achieve peace using deobandi ulema from pakistan and pathans. why and who killed maulana sami ul haq? they (taliban) considered him like a father but he is now dead lets leave that also we still have their teachers from madrassa haqqaniya, we still have mufti taqi usmani which they regard very highly and we can achieve peace if we genuinely try. i believe pak establishment have never understand and rationally and genuinely never tried to achive peace. and slowly slowly after peace is reached we can change their people and our people mind change.

But there are many issues which people from this side also dont understand? like what is afghan----do? using these words you are actually not just angering people of afghanistan but also pathan people from KPK and balochistan. afghan means pashtoon. please search this. if you say afghanistan or people of afghanistan that is okay but if you use afghan and afghani these words must be avoided as all pathans are by caste afghan. there are many more mis-understandings which people from this side of border dont understand and unintentionally or unknowingly they are spreading hate even within pakistani people too. and if tomorrow people which even dont know this basic info stand and tell us that you dont understand and peace cannot be achieved etc that surely make us annoying because we know you people or unknowingly making this thing worse

He is a newly created Indian account just look at his fake grievances. Just check the date from 25th June.

They use the same pattern like citing things like Afghanistan hates us and works against us like wishing it into reality.. Lmao.. They are rapid and tireless.

Do you know what I realize with all this obsession they worry about Af-pak alliance. If they worry about this alliance this must be then our best alliance.

They come here an cite 1000 grievances that are fake. Their ancestors, ancestor lost in wrestling match this or that. They work against us bla bla.

But while in reality Kabul and Islamabad have good relations.... This goes against all the real world reality we are experiencing. These people live in alternative reality some of them alltogether removed from reality.

The campaign was furious right after the Taliban took over Kabul they had gazillions of dedicated twitter accounts that were making fake videos of old Taliban and ANA engagements and posting them under the hashtag massive war erupted between Taliban and Pakistan border guards etc etc.

At one point even fake news was posted like Pak has taken over the Wakhan corridor, another time it was something like Afghanistan rejects the Durrand line all of them were constructed fake news both denied by Pakistan and IEA via official channels as the fake news was rapid back then but then they realized that they couldn´t instigate.

The truth is they think we are backyard people and dumb thinking our gov´ts can be swayed over irrelevant disinformation like if fake news were to be spread amongst us we would clash or something but they realized after years of campaign with fake info that this is not the case. They just gave up but now what you see is a slow burner attempt some of them may just pop-up from now and then to spit venom out of frustrations. They put in so much effort for absolutely nothing.

Elon Musk has now taken most of them down exposing them some of them acting like Neonazis, Zionists etc etc their names were even revealed all of them poor indians.. there was a massive bust on twitter recently.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I'll try to make it short and simple. We CAN'T always play nice. Afghanistan hates us and supports anti-Pakistan activities, we call them "brotherly country" for like 50 years now since 1975. India attacks us at night and again in the day time, we call them "neighbors" and talk about "responsibility".

I JUST watched French President's yesterday's speech. He is doubling French defense budget by 2027.
He says "to live in the world, you have to be strong militarily and be able to put forceful influence in". THAT applies on Pakistan now.

Enough of the "brotherly country" rant for like 45 years now. Enough of "we can't change neighbors" and have to be "responsible" rant. Next time if May is repeated, Bunyan-ul-Marsos needs to start the second Indian jets fired into Pakistani airspace on May 6, not on May 10th. THAT is the ONLY language both TTP and their Indian masters will understand. We can't let our people's blood be so cheap that its available to TTP and India at will. When you slap them back a few times, proper negotiations will ONLY happen then and I agree at that point, talk to resolve things. But only when talk makes sense.

so that is your solution? will you achieve peace using this strategy with afghanistan? waisay ye tau ham kayi arsay say kar rahain hain phir peace kyun nahi aaya abi tak? and please dont mix india with afghanistan. your above strategy is valid in india case but not in afghanistan case. and i believe i do not need to explain that why afghanistan case is different than india.

By the way i assume you know how we have achieved peace in swat and malakand? ANP government made a deal with them as they were asking for sharia courts and other islamic things. after the deal is done they later break that deal and that was a game changer as people of malakand and swat saw that they are not here for islam but for their power and then the operation started and all people supported the operation. thats how they achieved peace there. You have to play a similar kind of strategy against TTP. You have to get the support of local people and expose all those fitna people and after that you can go hard against them

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

He is a newly created Indian account just look at his fake grievances. Just check the date from 25th June.

They use the same pattern like citing things like Afghanistan hates us and works against us like wishing it into reality.. Lmao.. They are rapid and tireless.

Do you know what I realize with all this obsession they worry about Af-pak alliance. If they worry about this alliance this must be then our best alliance.

They come here an cite 1000 grievances that are fake. Their ancestors, ancestor lost in wrestling match this or that. They work against us bla bla.

But while in reality Kabul and Islamabad have good relations.... This goes against all the real world reality we are experiencing. These people live in alternative reality some of them alltogether removed from reality.

The campaign was furious right after the Taliban took over Kabul they had gazillions of dedicated twitter accounts that were making fake videos of old Taliban and ANA engagements and posting them under the hashtag massive war erupted between Taliban and Pakistan border guards etc etc.

At one point even fake news was posted like Pak has taken over the Wakhan corridor, another time it was something like Afghanistan rejects the Durrand line all of them were constructed fake news both denied by Pakistan and IEA via official channels as the fake news was rapid back then but then they realized that they couldn´t instigate.

The truth is they think we are backyard people and dumb thinking our gov´ts can be swayed over irrelevant disinformation like if fake news were to be spread amongst us we would clash or something but they realized after years of campaign with fake info that this is not the case. They just gave up but now what you see is a slow burner attempt some of them may just pop-up from now and then to spit venom out of frustrations. They put in so much effort for absolutely nothing.

Elon Musk has now taken most of them down exposing them some of them acting like Neonazis, Zionists etc etc their names were even revealed all of them poor indians.. there was a massive bust on twitter recently.

Really? did you actually read and understood my post above? from your reply it seems you didnt understand at all what i was saying?

 

[Fatman17]

Just because the talibans claim to be muslims doesn’t necessarily make them one.

They are the mufsideens! They don’t care if their opponents are muslims, civilians, ladies, old or kids. They kill! They torture, they rape, molest children.

Do not apply the Quranic ayah to them.

May God enlighten them and bring from among them great people and scholars of science, philosophy and other educations.

Kindly edit your post

 

[RajaBaja]

so that is your solution? will you achieve peace using this strategy with afghanistan? waisay ye tau ham kayi arsay say kar rahain hain phir peace kyun nahi aaya abi tak? and please dont mix india with afghanistan. your above strategy is valid in india case but not in afghanistan case. and i believe i do not need to explain that why afghanistan case is different than india.

Why don't you ask India and Afghanistan that why they don't make peace with us? Because all we are doing is being nice....... how many Pakistani citizens have been killed just this year? Jaffar express, school attacks, killing of Punjabis in Baluchistan, etc, etc. Over 1000 attacks already and its just July.

There was a reason why FM Asim Munir said last year that Pakistan needs to be a "hard state". There was years of analysis behind it. His statements put Modi and the entire India's rear on fire. May only happened to "punish Pakistan" with Modi's obsessed toys he was missing in 2019 called Rafale!. We had nothing to do with Pehelgam. So Raw-Fail happened. It needs to happen again but very quickly with more force. That's the only way they'll come to the table.