TTP wrap a man in Pakistan's flag and cut his head off

Even Mullah Umar's Afghanistan regime was not as brutal as the Pakistan Taliban regime in the Swat Valley.
Coming back to the topic: Pakistan is in a difficult position. If they do a brutal crackdown then the opportunist darling of this forum will make it as war against his ethnic folks and KPK, which is already ruled by Imran's henchmen, will use the state machinery to block and agitate. And if that govt is removed then will claim 'victimhood' and start an ethnic war. Imran would stoop to ANY lows to get back to power, and a secessionist blackmail can't be ruled out.
And yet this problem can't be ignored. It is bleeding Pakistan for a very long time, holding Pakistan back.
Maybe a govt of national consensus with Imran given a share with a focus on using the next 20 years solely for the economic revival and eradication of terrorism and extremist thought. But that would require the wisdom which Imran surely lacks.

And that's why I said democracy is NOT for Pakistan, we need a period of autocratic rule with a government made up of all parties and empowered to bring change for Pakistan so we can put long term plans in place

We have too many people who are jahils and ethnic jahils with a victim complex, they can't make rational decisions

We need strong enforcement of law with NO exceptions

We need to force change in Pakistan, we can't wait for these idiots to become humans
 
This is intellectual hypocrisy from your side.
The same imrandu was favourite of Military in 2018.If military knew that he is actually Taliban Khan - a supporter of terrorism - why military brought him into power?
And when public actually wanted him in Power, the same military took a reverse gear and imprisoned him for the sake of national security brining back the same looter toola - by the way this was sponsored/declared by military itself
Even a fool can recognize the the real culprit here.

Sure, the military was too clever by half and made a mistake: Only when they realized what kind of monster Imran really was then they decided to settle for the old looters. Who said the military is without guilt??
But going forward, there needs to be a clear understanding that no ethnic politics will be allowed to use to blackmail the nation of Pakistan. Imran had provided a lot of oxygen to these terrorists in the decades before he was brought to power. Imran uses ethnicity for power and he will use ethnicity to blackmail if major operations are launched to flushed out the terrorists.
The debate should be about going forward. About moving on.
 
Clear out FATA and convert it to a heavily militarized zone which will create a 50km buffer inside of Afghanistan. Restart drone strikes.

Move the people to Peshawar and give them hard labor in factories and a place to sleep.


I weep for the future of the country

It is quite obvious the lessons of 1971 have not been learnt
 
I weep for the future of the country

It is quite obvious the lessons of 1971 have not been learnt
The country cannot be held hostage to the whims of ethnically motivated extremists, either way.

They have to make a decision, you stand with the terrorists or you stand with Pakistan.

Appeasement to terrorism will lead to collapse. Refusing to act out of fear of hurting sentiments is no answer.
 
Sure, the military was too clever by half and made a mistake: Only when they realized what kind of monster Imran really was then they decided to settle for the old looters. Who said the military is without guilt??
But going forward, there needs to be a clear understanding that no ethnic politics will be allowed to use to blackmail the nation of Pakistan. Imran had provided a lot of oxygen to these terrorists in the decades before he was brought to power. Imran uses ethnicity for power and he will use ethnicity to blackmail if major operations are launched to flushed out the terrorists.
The debate should be about going forward. About moving on.

Brother, I agree with your point on Pakistan's terrorism problems, but I fail to see where we should move forward. You can't move in the correct direction in a relationship without trust and mutual understanding. There is a wide gap between the state and its people, with one treading over the other entirely.

Let's be real, the people on May 7th stood together because Pakistan was attacked, not because there was trust between the two. One just needed to tolerate the other; that was about it, but more respect lay with the Pakistan Air Force than the ground forces.

I do not see a way forward at this time unless and until the ill will between the two is corrected; if not, you will be left for foreign exploitation, and you will have no one to blame but yourselves.
 
Sure, the military was too clever by half and made a mistake: Only when they realized what kind of monster Imran really was then they decided to settle for the old looters. Who said the military is without guilt??
But going forward, there needs to be a clear understanding that no ethnic politics will be allowed to use to blackmail the nation of Pakistan. Imran had provided a lot of oxygen to these terrorists in the decades before he was brought to power. Imran uses ethnicity for power and he will use ethnicity to blackmail if major operations are launched to flushed out the terrorists.
The debate should be about going forward. About moving on.
Your hypocrisy continues.
Your beloved military continues to make these small but cute mistakes again and over again - has developed some kind of habit of stealing the public mandate across the provincial & Federal institutions and this is the sole reason why the whole nation is in such a shit hole

My friends from Balochistan told me these so called sardars are popped up and nurtured by military - i never believed them until saw this mfkry first hand in Punjab.
 
He was brought into power to ensure a smooth withdrawl of NATO forces and to ensure a compliant Taliban during this transition. That was his only utility. He was discarded after.
And what is the utility of this Shareef & Bhuttos regime now?
 
And that's why I said democracy is NOT for Pakistan, we need a period of autocratic rule with a government made up of all parties and empowered to bring change for Pakistan so we can put long term plans in place

We have too many people who are jahils and ethnic jahils with a victim complex, they can't make rational decisions

We need strong enforcement of law with NO exceptions

We need to force change in Pakistan, we can't wait for these idiots to become humans
This needs an iron leader. Current lot are no good.
 
What? Tharparkar of Sindh area is even poorer and miserable but you have never heard of them blowing themselves up, have you? In fact, all ethnicities of Pakistan have faced the wrath of the state of Pakistan, some more some less but there is no such embrace of brutality, suicide bombing as in a certain part of Pakistan. I am an Urdu Speaker and I know there were two major crackdowns on MQM in the 90s, which they call 'a Genocide of the Muhajir'. Bogus claim. They were doing nasty things and were crushed. You don't see them blowing themselves up, do you?? And the Sindhis! Zia ul Haq brutally crushed them but you don't ever see them blowing themselves up or making footballs out of soldiers' heads, do you?
The radicalization in the 80s should be long gone. The Soviets left in 1989. 1989!!! But what kind of brainwashing is that despite trillions spent on that part of Pakistan they are still so brutal? Well, one excuse is given by people like YOU! And then there are the opportunist, hypocrites who, for political power, kept repeating the 'Killing our own for American Dollars' to undermine Pakistani operations against the subhuman terrorists.
Yes, Tharparkar is deeply impoverished and yet remains peaceful. But context matters. The violence and militancy that took root in certain parts of Pakistan, particularly in the tribal areas, didn’t emerge in a vacuum. It came after decades of war, proxy conflicts, foreign involvement, abandonment after the 80s, drone strikes, and long-term instability. These areas were on the frontlines of conflict for generations.

Radicalization doesn’t just disappear because a war ends. People growing up in chaos and fear don’t simply forget trauma. It shapes them. And when basic things like education, healthcare, and justice are missing, that frustration festers. Saying "the Soviets left in 1989" doesn’t erase everything that happened afterward.

That said, no one should ever excuse violence against innocent people. Terrorists should be condemned. But entire communities shouldn’t be blamed for the actions of extremists. Just like not all Muhajirs were militants during the MQM era, and not all Sindhis supported violence during nationalist movements, the same logic should apply across the board.

As for the phrase "killing our own for American dollars," yes, it was used politically by some. But for many, it was an emotional reaction to seeing their own people die without answers or justice. It wasn’t about siding with terrorists, it was about grief and anger.

At the end of the day, most people no matter where they’re from just want peace, dignity, and a future for their families. That’s something we should all be able to understand.
 
Brother, I agree with your points, but fail to see where we should move forward? You can't move in the correct direction in a relationship if there is no trust and mutual understanding. Currently, there is a wide gap between the state and its people, with one treading over the other entirely.

Firstly, I totally dispute that even 50% of Pakistanis are with Imran Khan. Yeah, electoral victories are one thing but to casually claim someone has the 'majority' of popular support is different: No Pakistani leader, despite heavy 'mandate' they got, whether ZAB or Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan secured even 40% of the popular vote casted despite getting parliamentary majority.
As to the 'wide gap'? If Imran was so popular then we why didn't he call for early elections in early 2022 when he had the chance?? I know why: Because he had become unpopular by then. That's why. He became popular because he was allowed ONE YEAR to freely use the bogus claims, which were based on Pakistanis' anti-Americanism. That's how he became popular. But popularity comes and goes. Zulfi Bhutto's PPP was very popular once but now is a pale shadow of that, as are the Noonies.
So, no, I don't buy there is a 'vast divide' between the people and the state. People don't have the time for politics as they are being crushed by the poverty and that's where the state needs to focus on: Stability, peace, and progress.
Going forward: Imran could be released and become part of a national govt for the next 20 years with explicit understanding to crush terrorism, no use of ethnic blackmail, make various governance reforms, increase literacy, and ensure peace on the borders.
 
They have developed their bootlicking abilities to their maximum over the course of multiple generations.
And then some idiots want us to support Miltry and their sponsored looters.
 
The country cannot be held hostage to the whims of ethnically motivated extremists, either way.

They have to make a decision, you stand with the terrorists or you stand with Pakistan.

Appeasement to terrorism will lead to collapse. Refusing to act out of fear of hurting sentiments is no answer.


So tell me how you plan to subdue 40 million pashtuns in a province where practically everyone is armed to the teeth with a 600000 strong army which has a substantial number of pashtuns in it by the way


Army has not been able to subdue 30000 strong Taliban and you dream of crushing an entire community
 

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