TTP wrap a man in Pakistan's flag and cut his head off

[Distant_Observer]

The state is not blameless either, it was the state that used these areas as a staging ground to fight a proxy war, they were ones that allowed the Saudis to fund Wahabism here, they taught madrasa students to wage Jihad against the soviets, actually Zia and mullahs in power were all too happy to do that.

ISI and CIA worked with what they could. If Afghanistan had a proper secular militia, then Pakistan would have worked with that.

It's all just gaslighting.

Back in 2009-2012 TTP said they would stop fighting if the drone strikes stopped. Did they stop fighting?

Anyway damage has been done. We negotiated with terrorists. Open border and corrupt NADRA. We no longer know who is Pakistani and who is not in FATA and parts of KPK and Balochistan.

 

[Toxic]

But all this fassad predates all of that, your acting like pre Soviet invasion we never had these problems with the Afghans or these areas, which is categorically not true

It's an excuse for the poor behaviour of these people

There's a difference, had these areas been allowed to develop and Pakistan as a state to muture, these notions would have disappeared, but instead of that happening they were even further radicalized.

 

[Ak01]

It isn't anymore.
People don't trust the military as they used to. Including me.

Any operation will have adverse effects, including possible public siding with the wrong side .

then the "public siding with the wrong side" should go live under talib rule... Any members want to go first?

 

[hussain0216]

There's a difference, had these areas been allowed to develop and Pakistan as a state to muture, these notions would have disappeared, but instead of that happening they were even further radicalized.

How do you develop the areas, when the people are so violent, backwards and jahil????

It's always an excuse

If only we developed them, they wouldn't be killing teachers and labourers and beheading people

Aren't the people human beings there, don't they know the difference between right and wrong?

 

[Toxic]

then the "public siding with the wrong side" should go live under talib rule... Any members want to go first?

You would be surprised by how many common people living in Pakistan think Taliban rule would be good, because don't forget the people in power were pushing the good Taliban bad Taliban narrative up until these last few years.

 

[Meengla]

There's a difference, had these areas been allowed to develop and Pakistan as a state to muture, these notions would have disappeared, but instead of that happening they were even further radicalized.

What? Tharparkar of Sindh area is even poorer and miserable but you have never heard of them blowing themselves up, have you? In fact, all ethnicities of Pakistan have faced the wrath of the state of Pakistan, some more some less but there is no such embrace of brutality, suicide bombing as in a certain part of Pakistan. I am an Urdu Speaker and I know there were two major crackdowns on MQM in the 90s, which they call 'a Genocide of the Muhajir'. Bogus claim. They were doing nasty things and were crushed. You don't see them blowing themselves up, do you?? And the Sindhis! Zia ul Haq brutally crushed them but you don't ever see them blowing themselves up or making footballs out of soldiers' heads, do you?
The radicalization in the 80s should be long gone. The Soviets left in 1989. 1989!!! But what kind of brainwashing is that despite trillions spent on that part of Pakistan they are still so brutal? Well, one excuse is given by people like YOU! And then there are the opportunist, hypocrites who, for political power, kept repeating the 'Killing our own for American Dollars' to undermine Pakistani operations against the subhuman terrorists.

 

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[hydrabadi_arab]

I've said it before the locals are haramis

They are the main reason why we can't stamp out terrorism, they have zero understanding of basic laws or values or morals

They are backwards and jahil and ethnocentrism means everything to them, so they can kill 100 babies but you can't respond in case you hurt one of them and then they will act bat shit crazy

This isnt a path forward, we cannot allow this harami jahil behaviour to go on

The law must be Implemented, and enforced by the state
If ANYONE has a problem and acts up then arrest them, charge them or kill them

We cannot have areas of no laws because locals are donkey fcukers

Locals are not haramis. Their leadership is.

PTI is semi taliban party that tells them Taliban are great. Imrandu is known as Taliban Khan.

Their nationalist parties tell them that pashtun are not terrorists and people killing them are punjabis or sponsored by military. You have gandus on this forum who believe this and you expect uneducated tribal to see the truth?

In this environment good luck fighting terrorism.

 

[Toxic]

What? Tharparkar of Sindh area is even poorer and miserable but you have never heard of them blowing themselves up, have you? In fact, all ethnicities of Pakistan have faced the wrath of the state of Pakistan, some more some less but there is no such embrace of brutality, suicide bombing as in a certain part of Pakistan. I am an Urdu Speaker and I know there were two major crackdowns on MQM in the 90s, which they call 'a Genocide of the Muhajir'. Bogus claim. They were doing nasty things and were crushed. You don't see them blowing themselves up, do you?? And the Sindhis! Zia ul Haq brutally crushed them but you don't ever see them blowing themselves up or making footballs out of soldiers' heads, do you?
The radicalization in the 80s should be long gone. The Soviets left in 1989. 1989!!! But what kind of brainwashing is that despite trillions spent on that part of Pakistan they are still so brutal? Well, one excuse is given by people like YOU! And then there are the opportunist, hypocrites who, for political power, kept repeating the 'Killing our own for American Dollars' to undermine Pakistani operations against the subhuman terrorists.

ME!? DANG IT! YOU CAUGHT ME!

The radicalism in Sindh is directed towards Minorities instead of the state, Sindh does not border Afghanistan so things like Taliban is no concern to them, but have you wonder where vast majority of forced conversions come from? How about all the lynchings the TLP and their supporters do? Sure the Soviets left in the 80s but we continued our proxy war in Afghanistan well after that so that radicalization never disappeared, I am from interior Sindh btw

 

[Rational Philosopher]

What? Tharparkar of Sindh area is even poorer and miserable but you have never heard of them blowing themselves up, have you? In fact, all ethnicities of Pakistan have faced the wrath of the state of Pakistan, some more some less but there is no such embrace of brutality, suicide bombing as in a certain part of Pakistan. I am an Urdu Speaker and I know there were two major crackdowns on MQM in the 90s, which they call 'a Genocide of the Muhajir'. Bogus claim. They were doing nasty things and were crushed. You don't see them blowing themselves up, do you?? And the Sindhis! Zia ul Haq brutally crushed them but you don't ever see them blowing themselves up or making footballs out of soldiers' heads, do you?
The radicalization in the 80s should be long gone. The Soviets left in 1989. 1989!!! But what kind of brainwashing is that despite trillions spent on that part of Pakistan they are still so brutal? Well, one excuse is given by people like YOU! And then there are the opportunist, hypocrites who, for political power, kept repeating the 'Killing our own for American Dollars' to undermine Pakistani operations against the subhuman terrorists.

I can attest to this as someone from Azad Kashmir. There are people with vested interests who attempt to peddle the same narrative here. They want people to repeat the claim that we are facing genocide or oppression by Pakistan, and subtly justify to become violent.

There were elements of TTP trying to infiltrate our locality too.

During this time, leftists tried to amplify this narrative which was subtly pro-terrorism, the same ones who defend BLA & TTP. The PTI supporters also shamelessly tried to do so. There are evil people in this country that want to see it burn.

I am not saying everything is perfect here, but such claims are false lies to provoke the population towards violence and against Pakistan. As we know the entire country is rotten in corruption, in its something that will need a genuine approach to. But there is clear and concerted effort to ignite a fire and chaos here by people trying to manipulate us against each other.

It's usually the pro-BLA, pro-Afghan/TTP types. They just want to see Pakistan burn. More oppression claims and more violence you can create, the better.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Mr Sandhu, in your eyes do you view groups like the Taliban and the BLA to be like Hamas and the Pakistani state to be Netanyahu? Is this the insinuation being made?

Pakistani state is worse than Netanyahu.
Taliban and BLA are not like hamas
But what is the origin of these groups?
You will blame me for being Punjabi leftist and what not
But state effectively used this region to counter USSR through asymmetric warfare and sponsored Fundamentalism / extremism there.
After the war was over, the state didn't care to clean out its own dirty work.
Ahmad Rashid in his book "Taliban" has written that Arabs were brought here to fight communist USSR.These people married with population here that localized the state sponsored fundamentalism in local culture.

After the USSR was thrown out of Afg, these fundamentalists started targeting girls' schools on the name of Islam and from there came the wave of terrorism
Military operations, there after, left huge population homeless.Their strategies were ineffective and caused massive collateral damage - multiple military analysts have highlighted this.

So what is the root cause of this extremism? It's the state itself.

Why even Punjabis - Noonies being the exception at least for now -have turned against Military?
This cruel institution has undermined the public mandate and imposed illegal puppet government on us.
We have no reason to support this state & its institution

 

[Meengla]

Locals are not haramis. Their leadership is.
PTI is semi taliban party that tells them Taliban are great. Imrandu is known as Taliban Khan.
Their nationalist parties tell then that pashtun are not terrorists and people killing them are punjabis or sponsored by military. You have gandus on this forum who believe this and you expect uneducated tribal to see the truth?
In this environment good luck fighting terrorism.

I have been avoiding trying to get into Pakistani politics because I got burned in the old PDF dealing with Imran's supporters; they are brainwashed and often based in Western countries. But it must be said that it was Imran who shrewdly used his ethnic background in the 2000s and 2010s to cement his role in the KPK politics. He painted the entire anti-terrorism campaign as a fight to get American Dollars from America. Thus he became a patron saint of the locals who saw 'one of their own' standing up to the West and against the 'dal khor Punjabis'. Notice how in the 2008, 2013 elections while almost all politicians were cowering in fear of being killed, Imran was the knight on a horse, freely campaigning? Go and and look up images.
This man has absolutely no principles and would do ANYTHING to get back in power, even if it means asking Pakistanis to stop sending remittance to Pakistan or him becoming the voice of the terrorists. He has shrewdly convinced patriotic Pashtuns that he is their voice and it seems like the ethnic connection is more important then the love for the nation among many of them. If he, using his charisma, stood clearly against the terrorists from the beginning, then the oxygen they got over the decades from him, would have been deprived.

 

[Khan090]

Decades of corrupt NADRA and open borders has meant Afghans have moved across and taken control of Pakistani territory like zionist settlers.

Don't blame NADRA.
NADRA was formed in 2000, and many of the afghans already possessed manual cards.
How can you differentiate between a Pakistani Pashtun and an Afghani pashtun?
Even most of the afghan kids carry their father's and even grandfather's cards also.
How can one tell difference?
An angel carrying "Wahi" can solve the problem, but the problem is the era of prophets is ended with Muhammad (S.A.W) and NADRA employees don't get Wahi so have to rely on these worldly tools and methods that can be deceived easily.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb

People could Google what they did in Swat Valley then

I used to be on a site called chowk then and the name "Mingora Chowk" would send shivers down the spines of most of my Pakistani friends.

Regards

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Pakistani state is worse than Netanyahu.
Taliban and BLA are not like hamas
But what is the origin of these groups?
You will blame me for being Punjabi leftist and what not
But state effectively used this region to counter USSR through asymmetric warfare and sponsored Fundamentalism / extremism there.
After the war was over, the state didn't care to clean out its own dirty work.
Ahmad Rashid in his book "Taliban" has written that Arabs were brought here to fight communist USSR.These people married with population here that localized the state sponsored fundamentalism in local culture.

After the USSR was thrown out of Afg, these fundamentalists started targeting girls' schools on the name of Islam and from there came the wave of terrorism
Military operations, there after, left huge population homeless.Their strategies were ineffective and caused massive collateral damage - multiple military analysts have highlighted this.

So what is the root cause of this extremism? It's the state itself.

Why even Punjabis - Noonies being the exception at least for now -have turned against Military?
This cruel institution has undermined the public mandate and imposed illegal puppet government on us.
We have no reason to support this state & its institution

You are ignorant if you think fundamentalism started in the 1960s in Pakistan's tribal belt. You can read books written by historians that pre-datr Pakistan discussing those regions and their cultural lifestyle, do you think they were all irreligious liberals? Do you think the cultural lifestyle that values being armed with a Klashkinov started in 1970s campaign? Was Pashtunwali born in 1970s?

In fact the Pakistani state didn't even get involved in their affairs for this same reason because they requested them not to, otherwise they would become violent.

It's really a lazy and outdated excuse to pin everything down to the 60s alone. Sure the 60s heavily weaponised it so it could be used in Afghanistan as cannon fodder, but there were problems in that belt beforehand.

You can search up the campaign of Faqir of IPI and how he rallied the tribes to fight the state.