TTP wrap a man in Pakistan's flag and cut his head off

[Rational Philosopher]

This is a bit disingenuous, faujis were the ones that were negotiating with terrorists while they controlled Swat and Waziristan, big reason that allowed the TTP to rise was because while they were "Negotiating" TTP would build strength in certain areas than launch attacks.

No doubt about it. In my view it's a two-pronged problem. I have witnessed the ethnic extremism of those groups first hand, of them justifying terrorism. You would be surprised at the sympathy they have out of simply sheer hatred.

And I 100% recognise the chronic incompetency of the military as well as its misplaced priorities in areas that it doesn't belong, often at times more engaged in their business and corruption interests rather than dealing with their actual constitutional job.

But I donated some money to an NGO that worked in Balochistan and the stuff they told me was horrifying. They were slaughtering Punjabi women who went as teachers because of their ethnicity. The locals would inform quietly about certain ethnicties in their area, the militants would then kill them in an attack. Bomb blasts at their local shops.

 

[pwfi]

Military is desperate to convince people for another large scale operation in KPK.
Don't think people's opinion will change.

But PTI Choutyas will never told you, how Imran khan the great ameer ul momineen brought back TTP and financed, and how CM KPK was trained by TTP

Imran Khan Again Backs ‘Rehabilitation’ of TTP Fighters in Pakistan

PTI chief reiterates blame for instability on ex-Army chief while claiming he has no contacts with new military leadership

thestandard.com.pk

 

[Rational Philosopher]

No doubt about it. In my view it's a two-pronged problem. I have witnessed the ethnic extremism of those groups first hand, of them justifying terrorism. You would be surprised at the sympathy they have out of simply sheer hatred.

And I 100% recognise the chronic incompetency of the military as well as its misplaced priorities in areas that it doesn't belong, often at times more engaged in their business and corruption interests rather than dealing with their actual constitutional job.

But I donated some money to an NGO that worked in Balochistan and the stuff they told me was horrifying. They were slaughtering Punjabi women who went as teachers because of their ethnicity. The locals would inform quietly about certain ethnicties in their area, the militants would then kill them in an attack. Bomb blasts at their local shops.

And while the military is notoriously incompetent at its actual job and often priorities individual corruption interests over carrying out their job as a military, you also have to look at it from the other sides perspective you see. If the entire locality is opposing any operations and is in fact encouraging to negotiate with terrorists, strongly opposed to any operation against then and threatening to instead join them — do you think the military has much of a choice here? This was also a reality in some areas. It is a reality even today.

What should the military do in this scenario, let the terrorists grow in size and area, or launch operations with people siding with the terrorists? @Toxic

 

[Toxic]

No doubt about it. In my view it's a two-pronged problem. I have witnessed the ethnic extremism of those groups first hand, of them justifying terrorism. You would be surprised at the sympathy they have out of simply sheer hatred.

And I 100% recognise the chronic incompetency of the military as well as its misplaced priorities in areas that it doesn't belong, often at times more engaged in their business and corruption interests rather than dealing with their actual constitutional job.

But I donated some money to an NGO that worked in Balochistan and the stuff they told me was horrifying. They were slaughtering Punjabi women who went as teachers because of their ethnicity. The locals would inform quietly about certain ethnicties in their area, the militants would then kill them in an attack. Bomb blasts at their local shops.

This a failure of the state narrative machine, the fact BLA pushes out a better narrative than the state is concerning, they have firmly planted themselves in the missing persons issue, there is a solution, if a state suspects somebody of aiding terrorism then make their arrests and trials public with clear evidence rather than picking them up covertly.

 

[Distant_Observer]

But PTI Choutyas will never told you, how Imran khan the great ameer ul momineen brought back TTP and financed, and how CM KPK was trained by TTP

Imran Khan Again Backs ‘Rehabilitation’ of TTP Fighters in Pakistan

PTI chief reiterates blame for instability on ex-Army chief while claiming he has no contacts with new military leadership

thestandard.com.pk

Protested drone strikes and actively interfered with security operations targeting Taliban and their TTP proxies.

Did not attend a single NSC meeting while in power.

Resettled TTP fighters in Pakistan.

What a bunch of cucks. They were never Pakistan first and we will make sure they never have control of the country ever again. People of KPK deserve better than this.

 

[pwfi]

Protested drone strikes and actively interfered with security operations targeting Taliban and their TTP proxies.

Did not attend a single NSC meeting while in power.

Resettled TTP fighters in Pakistan.

What a bunch of cucks. They were never Pakistan first and we will make sure they never have control of the country ever again.

Try to explain all these facts to his brain dead followers

 

[Meengla]

Are you an afghandu heritage drone strike affectee?
Park the trade negotiations and lollipops to the taliban and set a deadline for them to address their border.

When these God Damn 'Pakistanis' were implicitly given the power in Swat Valley in late 2000s, their behavior was well known: A duplicate of the Mullah Umar's Taliban regime of the mid 90s, if not even more brutal. Ask the Swatis about their 'Islam' and their extreme misogyny and brutality!! People could Google what they did in Swat Valley then while a certain opportunist hypocrite used his ethnic association to gain popularity by repeatedly saying 'We are killing our own for American Dollars'.
Who are some of the people above fooling here? 2007-09 wasn't that long ago. We remember! Let's admit it: There is a huge cultural problem of extremism, of extreme brutality and of medieval version of 'Islam' in a part of Pakistan. It is an ideology with enough roots not only in a large part of Afghanistan but also in a small but still considerable part of Pakistan. And they need to be crushed ruthlessly!
Americans are long gone. Stop blaming them. Indian RAW wouldn't be able to do the horror had it not found these dung beetles like the Pakistan Taliban!

 

[Rational Philosopher]

This a failure of the state narrative machine, the fact BLA pushes out a better narrative than the state is concerning, they have firmly planted themselves in the missing persons issue, their is a solution, if a state suspects somebody of aiding terrorism then make their arrests and trails public with clear evidence rather than picking them up covertly,

The military can never beat the locality in terms of narrative. It's an unrealistic goal that I'm unsure if it's ever been successfully repeated ever in history. The narrative there is preached from the grassroots inside the homes from parents to children to friends. It's reinforced by strong cultural stereotypes, etc. The sympathy for group like BLA is very strong in most households for it to even be remotely successful.

In terms of other parts of the countries, yes it's certainly possible there, main hurdle will be the leftie apologists.

 

[Starlord]

Of course its the same P-People who are savages, this ethnic group has given us some of the horrific videos of beheading and its all because of who they are, violence is part of them and they are always part of violence.

 

[Toxic]

The military can never beat the locality in terms of narrative. It's an unrealistic goal that I'm unsure if it's ever been successfully repeated ever in history. The narrative there is preached from the grassroots inside the homes from parents to children to friends. It's reinforced by strong cultural stereotypes, etc. The sympathy for group like BLA is very strong in most households for it to even be remotely successful.

In terms of other parts of the countries, yes it's certainly possible there, main hurdle will be the leftie apologists.

We were able to beat a similar insurgency in Balochistan back in the 70s but that would open up discussions on far more extreme measures like martial law.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

When these God Damn 'Pakistanis' were implicitly given the power in Swat Valley in late 2000s, their behavior was well known: A duplicate of the Mullah Umar's Taliban regime of the mid 90s, if not even more brutal. Ask the Swatis about their 'Islam' and their extreme misogyny and brutality!! People could Google what they did in Swat Valley then while a certain opportunist hypocrite used his ethnic association to gain popularity by repeatedly saying 'We are killing our own for American Dollars'.
Who are some of the people above fooling here? 2007-09 wasn't that long ago. We remember! Let's admit it: There is a huge cultural problem of extremism, of extreme brutality and of medieval version of 'Islam' in a part of Pakistan. It is an ideology with enough roots not only in a large part of Afghanistan but also in a small but still considerable part of Pakistan. And they need to be crushed ruthlessly!
Americans are long gone. Stop blaming them. Indian RAW wouldn't be able to do the horror had it not found these dung beetles like the Pakistan Taliban!

You hit the nail on the head brother. As much as a huge fan of people-led societies I am, the level of extremism and ignorance witnessed in the Pakistani populace is a shocker that such a thing without first an adequate educational upliftment would be detrimental.

Swat is a good example. The locals begged at the time to sign a peace deal and do no operations, what followed we all witnessed in the end. Even today, much of the population justifies extremism and in some areas the regressive mindset is even more extreme. Justifying torture of their own wives and daughters, justifying terrorism, etc. It's brutal out there.

 

[Toxic]

You hit the nail on the head brother. As much as a huge fan of people-led societies I am, the level of extremism and ignorance witnessed in the Pakistani populace is a shocker that such a thing without first an adequate educational upliftment would be detrimental.

Swat is a good example. The locals begged at the time to sign a peace deal and do no operations, what followed we all witnessed in the end. Even today, much of the population justifies extremism and in some areas the regressive mindset is even more extreme. Justifying torture of their own wives and daughters, justifying terrorism, etc. It's brutal out there.

The state is not blameless either, it was the state that used these areas as a staging ground to fight a proxy war, they were ones that allowed the Saudis to fund Wahabism here, they taught madrasa students to wage Jihad against the soviets, actually Zia and mullahs in power were all too happy to do that.

 

[hussain0216]

This a failure of the state narrative machine, the fact BLA pushes out a better narrative than the state is concerning, they have firmly planted themselves in the missing persons issue, there is a solution, if a state suspects somebody of aiding terrorism then make their arrests and trials public with clear evidence rather than picking them up covertly.

That's because their narrative is ethnic victimhood

The states job then becomes difficult, because the state has to say your not a victim, your situation is a result of the choices you have made

 

[Rational Philosopher]

We were able to beat a similar insurgency in Balochistan back in the 70s but that would open up discussions on far more extreme measures like martial law.

It's supported by the constitution. Clause 1 of Article 232.

In any normal state it would have been invoked given the level of terrorism going on. But in Pakistan you'll have interest groups weaponise it and side with terrorists.

Leftists like the Imaan Mazari group.
PTI.
And of course if you launch operations in a terrorist controlled zone when the people are threatening against it?

It turns into a total shit show. Problem is the military can't do anything if people all oppose it, without going extreme.

The only successful states have been Turkey and Sri Lanka. Both were brutal against local sympathisers and Turkey had a very systematic approach. Relocated villages, renamed them, even banned some cultural practices.

 

[hussain0216]

The state is not blameless either, it was the state that used these areas as a staging ground to fight a proxy war, they were ones that allowed the Saudis to fund Wahabism here, they taught madrasa students to wage Jihad against the soviets, actually Zia and mullahs in power were all too happy to do that.

But all this fassad predates all of that, your acting like pre Soviet invasion we never had these problems with the Afghans or these areas, which is categorically not true

It's an excuse for the poor behaviour of these people