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[arjunk]

This is Imran's own fault, for ignoring the advice of his own senior PTI members and flooding his party with yes-men and electables.

Imran Khan's ego is simply too massive to hold the PM seat. If he were given absolute power he would follow his party policies and replace all competent people and dissidents with yes-men, turning the country into a one-man cult.

Look what happened to Iran after the mullahs did the same. A cult of yes-men is suicide.

The establishment setup may be flawed but at least the military is institutionally strong and has a diverse set of opinions.

 

[Mr X]

I did a bit of reading on Imran Khan. I know that he was a great cricketer in his lifetime and a philanthropist. Also did a little bit of reading on the founding of your nation. In my view the Mandela of your nation was your founder Jinnah. Similar to our politics, Mandela cannot be replaced. At the most Khan is a populist who is jailed (whether for good or bad reason remains uncertain to me). We have similar politicians here such as Zuma, an extremely favorite populist of the poor who is also facing jail time due to allegations against him whilst he was President. At the most, I would liken Khan to our Zuma. In a nutshell Mandela, Gandhi, Jinnah, Washington amongst others will remain in a league of their own.

I didn’t say he is Mandela… he is idiot at present in my personal opinion… but he will come back as Mandela if he is allowed to stay in prison for years.

The fact is, If there is an election today, Imran Khan vs Asim Munir… you will find 99% people voting for Khan…. That is because they don’t want military intervention in political affairs… and those remaining 1% are found on this forum.

The views of general public are that despite all those fake cases against Khan, 90% people agree that all of those cases are weak and fabricated against him. Even if one of that case is real, people will believe that he is jailed for the crime he did not commit. After keeping him in prison, the bad thing is, no matter what you do, he will always be a hero. Because it’s not like there was a case on him and he went through the trial and the court sentenced him for 7 years… he was jailed first, his release orders were refused by the government (read establishment) and later decided that what punishment to give him and for how long in the backdoor as courts orders were thrown in the dustbin.

It means he is already a hero now, no matter what you do.

 

[Jango007]

This is Imran's own fault, for ignoring the advice of his own senior PTI members and flooding his party with yes-men and electables.

Imran Khan's ego is simply too massive to hold the PM seat. If he were given absolute power he would follow his party policies and replace all competent people and dissidents with yes-men, turning the country into a one-man cult.

Look what happened to Iran after the mullahs did the same. A cult of yes-men is suicide.

The establishment setup may be flawed but at least the military is institutionally strong and has a diverse set of opinions.

Just read what this person wrote and it pretty much summarize why we are living in a gutter…. What a slave mentality and defeatist mentality….

The guy who had three years of not perfect rule but still managed to steer country during COVID times and earning world recognition for his policies and economically Pakistan did well during his time than any other time is worse then 60 years of military rules during which generals did nothing but tape Pakistan and 40 years of Nawaz and Zardari control during which they also took turns raping Pakistan are better than 3 years of stability Pakistan witnessed under Imran ….

I mean you got to wonder what posters like one above get in return for vomitting their their nonsense online …

 

[Goenitz]

Mark my words: Many before him thought so too, but Pakistan is bigger than any one person. It will go on as always after IK too.

True, but what did Yahya say?
Anything can happen, man. I hope there would be no anarchy, but Pakistan would not remain the same. How can Punjabi then invest/buy property in KPK and Balochistan, or even travel? There will always remain resentment, which would boil from time to time.

 

[VCheng]

It means he is already a hero now, no matter what you do.

Pakistan's history is full of such dead heroes: Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, BB, Musharraf et al are some examples with diehard fans even now.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

PTI is a populist movement it's entire appeal is built more on the personality of Imran Khan than literally anything else. Whatever he says, goes. In reality it doesn't even have much of an ideology apart from basic things every party everywhere repeats. 99% of their supporters will back track on their own principles if Khan said so, it is in effect a cult.

It will be relegated to low importance once he's out of the picture, but with the younger population, they might not have any love lost for PMLN or PPP either. It could potentially make room for newer, younger parties competing.

 

[Mr X]

Pakistan's history is full of such dead heroes: Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, BB, Musharraf et al are some examples with diehard fans even now.

But none of them enjoyed the strong support like Imran Khan. Bhutto had a strong support in 1971 from west Pakistan but he was largely unpopular in 1977.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Just read what this person wrote and it pretty much summarize why we are living in a gutter…. What a slave mentality and defeatist mentality….

The guy who had three years of not perfect rule but still managed to steer country during COVID times and earning world recognition for his policies and economically Pakistan did well during his time than any other time is worse then 60 years of military rules during which generals did nothing but tape Pakistan and 40 years of Nawaz and Zardari control during which they also took turns raping Pakistan are better than 3 years of stability Pakistan witnessed under Imran ….

I mean you got to wonder what posters like one above get in return for vomitting their their nonsense online …

You talk about a slave mentality yet the only 2 things of value in your post are

(1) complaining like an immature child for people not holding the same opinion like you

(2) having zero ideas about any of his policies apart from the fact that he got "world recognition" - very ironic someone like this is calling others slaves but well done for being pat on the back by the "world".

 

[VCheng]

But none of them enjoyed the strong support like Imran Khan. Bhutto had a strong support in 1971 from west Pakistan but he was largely unpopular in 1977.

Well, to be honest, I keep looking for any evidence of this "strong support" that people keep claiming exists for IK, but thus far, there doesn't seem to be much more than self-amplification within certain social media echo chambers, and certainly nothing that can actually change the situation in any significant way, at least thus far - and it has been over two years already.

 

[PakAl]

Mark my words: Many before him thought so too, but Pakistan is bigger than any one person. It will go on as always after IK too.

This is why i say what is the point of PTI trying to make Nelson Mandela or Bhutto out of Imran Khan. The better option is to calm down anti establishment politics, concentrate on economy, corruption etc and slowly bring out Imran Khan from jail. What benefit do people of Pakistan or Pakistan get with IK in jail? Imran Khan and PTI must learn from this, come back stronger, realise Pakistan is bigger than anyone, all these dreams about rebellions and civil should be avoided. We all know which international players are behind rebellions and civil wars, the people of Pakistan will InshaAllah reject this.

 

[Distant_Observer]

This is Imran's own fault, for ignoring the advice of his own senior PTI members and flooding his party with yes-men and electables.

Imran Khan's ego is simply too massive to hold the PM seat. If he were given absolute power he would follow his party policies and replace all competent people and dissidents with yes-men, turning the country into a one-man cult.

Look what happened to Iran after the mullahs did the same. A cult of yes-men is suicide.

The establishment setup may be flawed but at least the military is institutionally strong and has a diverse set of opinions.

If you look at IK's hires, Buzdar or Faiz Hameed you are absolutely correct. I got the same impression. Which is why he probably looked over the current field marshal's pedigree. His ego would simply not allow it, he just loves the attention

 

[arjunk]

This is why i say what is the point of PTI trying to make Nelson Mandela or Bhutto out of Imran Khan. The better option is to calm down anti establishment politics, concentrate on economy, corruption etc and slowly bring out Imran Khan from jail. What benefit do people of Pakistan or Pakistan get with IK in jail? Imran Khan and PTI must learn from this, come back stronger, realise Pakistan is bigger than anyone, all these dreams about rebellions and civil should be avoided. We all know which international players are behind rebellions and civil wars, the people of Pakistan will InshaAllah reject this.

Sad thing is PTI had the potential to bring true change, I myself was an avid PTI-supporter at one point. But Imran Khan ruined it with his own ego.

 

[Mr X]

Well, to be honest, I keep looking for any evidence of this "strong support" that people keep claiming exists for IK, but thus far, there doesn't seem to be much more than self-amplification within certain social media echo chambers, and certainly nothing that can actually change the situation in any significant way, at least thus far - and it has been over two years already.

Well similarly I fail to find support for anyone, anywhere in the world except for PTI. If I ask 1000 people in Pakistan about who they will vote… 950 says PTI and 50 says PML-N and come with the excuse of “family connection with PML-N”… but somehow they have strong support on the election day.

This is out of question as we can all agree in principle that PTI is the largest party in Pakistan since 2018 and will remain in the foreseeable future. They will gain more support in the next election but there will be a big question mark about “permission to rule” after winning the elections.

 

[VCheng]

This is why i say what is the point of PTI trying to make Nelson Mandela or Bhutto out of Imran Khan. The better option is to calm down anti establishment politics, concentrate on economy, corruption etc and slowly bring out Imran Khan from jail. What benefit do people of Pakistan or Pakistan get with IK in jail? Imran Khan and PTI must learn from this, come back stronger, realise Pakistan is bigger than anyone, all these dreams about rebellions and civil should be avoided. We all know which international players are behind rebellions and civil wars, the people of Pakistan will InshaAllah reject this.

We have to wait and see just how all this situation plays out. It will not be resolved quickly or even drastically any time soon.

 

[PakAl]

I watched a video of Imran Riaz Khan yesterday and he made a point that resonated. To paraphrase, he is of the opinion that PTI are relying on the political oppression of Imran Khan for votes and have failed to do anything expected of them as an opposition party. He talked about the economy, joblessness, oppression of media, inflation, and said PTI has failed to challenge the government on any of these issues.

I think i agree with him. I am of the opinion that the current version of PTI is an absolute flop. HOWEVER, I do realise that all the senior leadership of PTI is currently imprisoned, or has quit the party (no great loss). Those who remain have failed to make an impact, or even create a public perception that they are challenging the state on what matters to the people. Rather they appear like reluctant cheerleaders of Imran Khan.

I think if you took any current political party and locked up senior leadership and workers, you'd find the same limp effect. However Imran Khan stated PTI was going to be different, it was going to be organised and structured, an institute able to operate independent of direction from a figurehead. He stated the autonomy and management of Shaukat khanum as an example. I think with PTI he has failed to do so. The difference is that the hospital was run by professionals, political parties are run by politicians, people who are inherently selfish and egotistical. Across the spectrum, across the world, politicians claim to be wishing to "serve the people", but often actually really just desire to "lead the people".

In countries like Pakistan without senior leadership the party is not the same, the PPP under bhutto is completely different from today PPP. PTI without Imran Khan will be fighting amongst itself, even with IK in jail they're struggling to unite on one platform, never mind after he is gone. It's not really PTI fault since Pakistanis do not vote on ideology but personalities.

I don't understand why Imran Khan does not dissolve the power to the PTI senior committe, since IK is in jail they should do whatever is needed to bring him out, even go underground for a few years but IK must be bought back. Instead they are waiting for directions from Adiala when he has no contacts with the outside world.