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[Rational Philosopher]

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Next gen networked enabled weapons, what could that be apart from BVR air to air missiles

Well the new trend in the industry is data-linked weapons that can carry out co-ordinated swarms and retargeting mid-flight as well autonomous target acquisition. That's probably the gist of what it's trying to imply.

 

[RajaBaja]

I would like to request @Waz to pin this thread as I think it's a good main thread to discuss our air-launched munition strike options.

Some new additions:

AZB-81LR Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) — this turns the MK.81 into a miniature cruise bomb with an IIR seeker that can reach ranges up to 120km - 200km. Utilising both low observable features and AI algorithms for advanced targeting and networking.

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Burq family of small air-to-ground missiles for use on UCAVS like Shahpar.

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Chinese CM-400AKG air-launched ballistic missile in use on JF-17s.

Range: 180 - 250KM
Speed: Mach 4 - 5 (terminal phase)
Warhead: ~ 150 - 200kg, HE/penetration
Total weight: ~900kg
Guidance: INS/GPS, terminal active radar, anti-radition or IR seeker
Flight profile: Qausi-ballistic, terminal dive

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Rasoob-250 air-launched cruise missile

Range: 350 km
Weight: 285 kg (with booster)
Warhead Weight: 75 kg
Warhead Type: Semi-Armour Piercing
Cruise Speed: Mach 0.7
Accuracy: Under 5 m CEP
Seeker: TBD (possibly GNSS, INS, TERCOM/DSMAC, and/or IIR)

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Taimoor — air launched cruise missile, dual role anti-ship & land attack

Weight: 1,100-1,200 kg
Range: 290 km (export restriction) – possibly upto 500 - 600KM like the Ra'ad 2
Cruise Speed: Mach 0.7-0.8
Mid-course: INS aided with GNSS/GPS & DSMAC/TERCOM
Warhead Types: ~ 300 - 400kg, blast fragmentation, penetration & pre-fragmentation
Terminal guidance: Imaging Infrared (IIR)
Propulsion: Unknown miniature turbojet (possibly NESCOM NTJ-V1)

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Love the pics!! Pakistan is building about 5-6 various stand off munitions.

In next war, we'll need to have massive numbers of loitering munitions to confuse, distract and waste Indian AD weapons, followed by CM-400AR and Fatah's in conventional weapons limits.

But a large quantity of loitering munitions is needed to get enemy's AD tired and lose 100* more costly interceptors on a couple of thousands dollars worth of drone. OR, allow the weapon to take out your artillery and tanks. Best results for the money.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Loitering munitions are probably worth adding to this thread:

Blaze-25

Warhead: 10 kg
Max range: 75km range
Propulsion: Electric (silent)
Ideal targets: anti-personnel, tanks, armored vehicles.

Tube-launched



Blaze-50

Warhead: 20kg
Max range: 180km



Blaze-75

Warhead: 30kg
Max range: 500km




Sky Dog E-VTOL

Warhead: 2kg
Endurance time: 18 minutes
Combat range: 10km
Flight ceiling: 800 meters
Speed: 40-80 m/s
Total weight: 10kg

Launched by hand.



Sarkash Loitering munition/cruise missile

Max Range: 1,000km
Endurance: >2 hours
Warhead: 50kg
Propulsion: Turbojet
Total weight: 175kg

 

[Bilal]

ATLS Loitering Munitions:

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[Rational Philosopher]

ATLS Loitering Munitions:

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There are a lot of low-end loitering munition private players in Pakistan tbf.

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[Baibers_1260]

Now that we have a platform like the J-10 What is the plan to induct heavy air launched cruise missiles in the class of Taurus, Storm Shadow or Scalp.
Pakistan has a few CM 802s to knock out maritime air craft carrier class threats but a land based variant to hit air bases and army command and control centers deep inside enemy territory is badly needed
Could the YJ-12 be upgraded to a 500 km range by Pakistan assuming only a 200 km.variant might be available due to MTCR.?

 

[Bilal]

There are a lot of low-end loitering munition private players in Pakistan tbf.

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I am aware of these. Woot tech is not low end I would say. They have now come up with fiber guided solution too.

The ATLS ones don’t seem to be low end either. Seems like a Super Semsek equivalent and similarly seem to have RCS reduction factored in, composite body and is jet powered.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Now that we have a platform like the J-10 What is the plan to induct heavy air launched cruise missiles in the class of Taurus, Storm Shadow or Scalp.
Pakistan has a few CM 802s to knock out maritime air craft carrier class threats but a land based variant to hit air bases and army command and control centers deep inside enemy territory is badly needed
Could the YJ-12 be upgraded to a 500 km range by Pakistan assuming only a 200 km.variant might be available due to MTCR.?

Already have that in the Taimoor ALCM. Scroll up a bit to see more about it. JF-17 can also carry them fine it's just limited in the total payload not being as large.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Made by Baykar's subsidiary in Pakistan, a miniature cruise missile/loitering munition hybrid.




And a high-speed target drone by NASTP.

 

[Ak01]

I am aware of these. Woot tech is not low end I would say. They have now come up with fiber guided solution too.

The ATLS ones don’t seem to be low end either. Seems like a Super Semsek equivalent and similarly seem to have RCS reduction factored in, composite body and is jet powered.

imo its probs fluff or a tgt drone. can make out the numbers on the spec sheet

 

[Toxic]

I am aware of these. Woot tech is not low end I would say. They have now come up with fiber guided solution too.

The ATLS ones don’t seem to be low end either. Seems like a Super Semsek equivalent and similarly seem to have RCS reduction factored in, composite body and is jet powered.

Issue with these companies is not that they can't produce competent designs but that they lack the ability to produce them at scale, this where Government investment can greatly benefit them.

 

[Bilal]

imo its probs fluff or a tgt drone. can make out the numbers on the spec sheet

It does seem to be based on target drone. But so is simsek/super simsek.

 

[Bilal]

Issue with these companies is not that they can't produce competent designs but that they lack the ability to produce them at scale, this where Government investment can greatly benefit them.

ATLS seem to have close ties with PAC/PAF. They did a new version of Mashak with them.

They are also doing aerospace parts machining and composite fabrication along with other things.

GS 301 BATOOR – ATLS

atls.com.pk

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Issue with these companies is not that they can't produce competent designs but that they lack the ability to produce them at scale, this where Government investment can greatly benefit them.

That's not really an issue, the military should invite private companies and test all designs choosing the most optimal, if they like one belonging to the private company, they can award them with a contract that allows mass production.

Good start ups showing potential should be invested in

 

[Bilal]

That's not really an issue, the military should invite private companies and test all designs choosing the most optimal, if they like one belonging to the private company, they can award them with a contract that allows mass production.

Good start ups showing potential should be invested in

Both ways. Meaning also transfer tech and let them do manufacturing of state designed products. DRDO is doing that now.