JF-17 PFX program

[Scorpio]

no restrictions in war time PAF has stated multiple times through retired officers in case of war pak Will use them no matter what restrictions are.

What will be definition of war for Americans...

Officially there no clarification on restrictions term if applicability..

Secondly if we were even able pay some how (off course we don't have funds) what is surety that thay will delivered.. will not put in shed like F16 and vipers

 

[That_Guy]

Let me put it this way. You know nothing about the tasks facing the Chinese Air Force. Because the Air Force wants to seize air superiority within the first island chain, the Chinese Air Force only wants heavy fighters. The existing heavy fighter production capacity is not enough for the Chinese Air Force, so how can it be exported?
Why does Chengfei have J36? That is to cope with the extreme demand of the Chinese Air Force for heavy fighters.
And, you pay attention. China is currently exporting medium-sized fighters, whether J10 or J35, because the Air Force is not interested in them. Their range and combat capabilities cannot be compared with heavy fighters, and they cannot effectively complete the Air Force's tasks. The only reason why the Air Force has to equip them is because of the economy.
There are only interests between countries. Trump illustrates this point well.
If China attacks Taiwan, Europe and the United States will immediately lift sanctions on Russia, and then you will see how Russia will treat China?
I think your thinking is very old-fashioned and naive. This is a world of jungle law, which has never changed.
Trump has torn up so many treaties, what are the consequences? Israel bombed Iran, what can Iran do?

Literally none of this has to do with what was being said by you previously.

 

[Bentley777]

What will be definition of war for Americans...

Officially there no clarification on restrictions term if applicability..

Secondly if we were even able pay some how (off course we don't have funds) what is surety that thay will delivered.. will not put in shed like F16 and vipers

Pak has got the best chance now they should ask for used f15E with stand off weapons. Get the deal done if f15E comes with no standoff weapons then we should not take it. The restrictions has many things debeatable. If india does want f35 and goes with su57 i think we can get it.

 

[corven]

Literally none of this has to do with what was being said by you previously.

First, I tell you why J11 is not exported. It is not the reason you think. Second, I refute your previous fallacy. International politics is not what you think. There are no rules in international politics, only interests.
The agreement between China and Russia is also one of the so-called "rules". If you don't understand, I doubt your ability to understand. I am still polite to you because you are Pakistani.

 

[corven]

We live in a rules based world order...

Rules? What rules did India bomb Pakistan based on? What rules did India tear up the agreement and refuse to supply water to Pakistan based on? What rules did Israel build its own nuclear reactor secretly but bomb Iran's nuclear reactor with confidence based on? What rules did Israel massacre civilians in Gaza based on? What rules did Trump tear up the trade agreement with other countries based on? What rules did Russia base its blitzkrieg on Kiev on the first day of the Russo-Ukrainian war on?
Only if you have enough strength, your opponent will talk to you about the rules. However, this rule is constantly changing based on the strength comparison between you and your opponent. If you don't have strength, once you have a dispute over interests with other countries, there is only one rule that will apply to you: being beaten.
You are as naive as the other Pakistani guy above.

 

[That_Guy]

First, I tell you why J11 is not exported.

What you said was factually wrong.

It is not the reason you think. Second, I refute your previous fallacy.

No, you didn't.

International politics is not what you think. There are no rules in international politics, only interests.

You seem to suffer from dunning-kruger.

Yeah, no shit.

The agreement between China and Russia is also one of the so-called "rules".

Thank you for proving my point.

If you don't understand, I doubt your ability to understand. I am still polite to you because you are Pakistani.

I really don't care much about politeness.

Bro, just stop.

No one here agrees with you.

 

[corven]

What you said was factually wrong.

No, you didn't.


You seem to suffer from dunning-kruger.

Yeah, no shit.

Thank you for proving my point.


I really don't care much about politeness.

Bro, just stop.

No one here agrees with you.

Besides your nonsense, you seem to have a serious problem with your comprehension. It is not up to you to decide whether anyone here agrees with me.

 

[That_Guy]

Besides your nonsense, you seem to have a serious problem with your comprehension. It is not up to you to decide whether anyone here agrees with me.

Lol, sure buddy.

You're factually incorrect.

You said a bunch of unrelated nonsense, and you think you're the smartest man here.

 

[corven]

Lol, sure buddy.

You're factually incorrect.

You said a bunch of unrelated nonsense, and you think you're the smartest man here.

I never said I was the smartest person. But what you think is nonsense is what is happening now. On the contrary, your pedantry is eye-opening to me. It is really hard to find such naive people nowadays.

 

[That_Guy]

I never said I was the smartest person. But what you think is nonsense is what is happening now. On the contrary, your pedantry is eye-opening to me. It is really hard to find such naive people nowadays.

Lol, okay I'm gonna end it here.

Don't wanna get in trouble.

By the way, what you said is not reality. Nations, no matter how powerful, can't just do what they want. There are consequences for their actions.

That's the last thing I'll say to you.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Lol, okay I'm gonna end it here.

Don't wanna get in trouble.

By the way, what you said is not reality. Nations, no matter how powerful, can't just do what they want. There are consequences for their actions.

That's the last thing I'll say to you.

Not true. A handful of nations can.

China, Russia, Israel, etc.

He's right in the sense that "rules" are just a social construct created by us, only the ability to enforce them really means anything, which means the inability to do so you can do whatever. Hence it's power that rules geopolitics, not rules.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Lol, okay I'm gonna end it here.

Don't wanna get in trouble.

By the way, what you said is not reality. Nations, no matter how powerful, can't just do what they want. There are consequences for their actions.

That's the last thing I'll say to you.

Are there any rule for USA? Or israel? Both of you and @corven are right. Why because for pakistan we have to follow rules but for china now? Dont seems necessary

 

[Samurai]

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While I may not be an expert in Aeronautics
However even I can tell these joints will break when high speed turn is attempted

In slow speed scaled testing may be these will not break off
but once plane start moving high speed and when it will turn those things at back will be flying out after breaking

These are literally hanging by a tooth pick bolts


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Who ever came up with this design should be fired immediately. What a pathetic and stupid design this is, even for a display model if not for Project AZM.

Is this the best PAC R&D can do with its current team?

 

[That_Guy]

Not true. A handful of nations can.

China, Russia, Israel, etc.

He's right in the sense that "rules" are just a social construct created by us, only the ability to enforce them really means anything, which means the inability to do so you can do whatever. Hence it's power that rules geopolitics, not rules.

Its not about "rules", it's about consequences.

Every nation, including the USA has to face consequences for decisions it makes.

Again, if China wasn't concerned about consequences, it would be marketing an export version of the J-11 and J-15.

 

[That_Guy]

Are there any rule for USA? Or israel? Both of you and @corven are right. Why because for pakistan we have to follow rules but for china now? Dont seems necessary

Israel is now an international pariah. It's facing financial boycott and bankruptcy. The USA's trade war is backfiring.

Its not about rules, it's about consequences.

Its always been about consequences.