kastor ville
Registered Member
You have very simplistic view on a very complicated situation/subject.
Examples: Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, Yemen, and recently Brazil....they're still jugging along.
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Examples: Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, Yemen, and recently Brazil....they're still jugging along.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
You're highly underestimating the EU's determination and commitment to serve Zionism.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
Exactly.
And remember his (Netanyahu) words, "We will change the map to entire Middle East".
Netanyahu: ‘We are changing the map of the Middle East’
In a televised speech broadcast on Saturday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said “we are changing the map of the Middle East”, in reference to the normalization deal being signed with Ar…
www.middleeastmonitor.com
And related to nuclear program seems that US used backchannels to report prior to the attack to Iran, so IRI saved most if not all enriched uranium at one side.
TRT Global - US quietly informed Iran about nuclear site bombardment: report
Iran has evacuated most of its uranium stockpile at nuclear sites to an undisclosed place before the US targeted Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan with bunker-buster bombs.
trt.global
On the other hand, if we put in the worst scenary; if all three installations have been "obliterated completely" (it is a redundancy, I want to point it). Ok. They succeeded in destroying all three main nuclear installations. But let´s be honest. More than a month has passed without allowing nobody from IAEA to check nothing, so we can pressume that alternative places are being round of the clock being building.
That means that bypassing the time, IRI will have redudant sites, NON declared and NON subject to inspection (if they´re non declared, they cannot being inspected, do we agree?.
Even if in the future IAEA inspection are allowed again to enter and check, any secret enrichment alternative place will be working without interferences by UN watchdogs and westeners powers.
After all, ironically the Fordow, Isfahan and Natanz bombing would eventually helped to accelerate the race to the nuclear bomb.
IRI can be managing to rebuild and restart nuclear enrichment in those three places to keep all eyes over them while they can open new facilities out of the IAEA escrutiny. So it would be wise to use those three places as smoke screens thanks the stupidity and short sight view of Netanyahu and Trump, both of them were desperately needing some credit to their audience.
And here comes Qased and Qaem that are vital to achieve selfsuficency in launching useful and cutte edging 700 kg satellites to higher orbits
Immortals
Elite Member
Iran was on the path to destruction when Solemani was killed. Iran was on the path to destruction when toman kept freefalling from 1200 to 100,000. You can’t fight wars with empty piggy bank.
People here cheered at the worthless Al-Assad base attack. How Iran was the First Nation to attack America directly since Iraq in 1990.
But reality is Iran did a token attack while America took a major chest piece off the board. The “everything is awesome” crowd tried to convince people that the chess piece doesn’t matter. That iran has infinite chess pieces and another chess piece will take its place.
Sure there many pawns, but there not that many rooks, bishops, or knights.
In the end Israel and America kept taking Iran’s most valuable military talent taken off the board, the people who were responsible for building IRGC, HZ, Syria project, Hamas. While absorbing hundreds of bombings.
So eventually the war came to Iran’s borders after they lost Syria. Had Hezbollah decimated. Intresting point during height of Syrian war, Hezbollah was feared so much by Israel that they avoided causing any HZ casualties when they would bomb targets in Syria. All that deterrence that HZ built was Squandered by Nasrallah and the IRGC.
Maybe Iran can regroup and recover. But reality is Iran has never looked weaker in last 25 years than it does today and Khamenai has never held less influence than he does today.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
IMO you should apply same argument to the US. That is the reason why US didn´t complete a MINIMUM 30 days air campaign against nuclear sites of Irán.
Moreover if US starts a real campaign against Irán (this was a JOKE) China would inmediately invade Taiwán. It is so simple. Everyone knows that US is in the brink of bankruptcy if the level of expenses continue. Even they are finance Russia campaign with EU money. Their credit card it is burning.
ToddE
Trusted Member
With success of KS, Fattah I am wondering if IRGC will stop manufacturing any other previous type or will keep Emad, Ghadr etc as force multipliers while the actual weapons of choice will be
Fattah-I/II hypersonic MaRV
KS-1 Skip glide MaRV
Sejjil Solid fueled MRBM
K-4 PBV for Submunition/possible MIRV dispensing.
Zolfaghar Basir AShBM
The way it seems this is Irans actual BM package. Ghadr-F, Emad, Haj Qassem, Qiam, Rezvan are no longer than much relevant.
Fattah-I/II hypersonic MaRV
KS-1 Skip glide MaRV
Sejjil Solid fueled MRBM
K-4 PBV for Submunition/possible MIRV dispensing.
Zolfaghar Basir AShBM
The way it seems this is Irans actual BM package. Ghadr-F, Emad, Haj Qassem, Qiam, Rezvan are no longer than much relevant.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
ShapurII
Trusted Member
To be honest, I never believed that our missiles had pin-point accuracy to hit high-value targets in Israel. Why should Iran be able to achieve that? Our precision is probably thanks to ring-laser gyroscopes that we have imported the technology from China. Why should our missiles perform better than theirs if our technology has been copied from them, if not directly imported?
Overall, I'd say I'm still quite impressed by the performance of our missile forces in the war. What truly disappointed me was our drones.
I expected large swarms of drones every day. I really believed Iran could fire a thousand drones per day. It could've been game-changing, but apparently, the IR had only one priority and that was to feed Arab resistance groups rather than to arm itself.
ToddE
Trusted Member
IRGCAF is the most war hardened and experienced missile force in the modern world. Iranian nation has to make sure that IRGCAF must not be disbanded or reduced to a token force once the IRI system decays like USSR. Mullahs ruined IRIAF seeing it as a Shahi legacy force, a continuation of Shah's glorious IIAF. Next leaders of Iran should not turn their heat on IRGACF seeing it as a Mullah legacy the same way.
Fattah Hypersonic I should be mass produced, Fattah II should be operationalised. Fattah's lighter ALBM should be made. KS should be driven to high apogee longer ranged attack variant as well. Both Fattah and KS should be driven towards AShBM role that currently Zolfaghar Basir and Khalije Fars have. K-4's PBV and Sejjil's RV should be tested with 3-5 MIRVs. Irans missile wealth should not be lost.
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
after Ukraine war that title go to the Russia
if you include cruise missile the title go to USA air airforce and USA navy
ToddE
Trusted Member
Russian forces have never launched such large salvos of missiles like IRGCAF has.
Russia never had to face such a well defended IADS like that of Israel. Ukrainian airspace is by no means an equivalent that of Israel.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
Russians missiles can be more advanced, but I agree Iran has surpassed Russia with their strategy of conventional missile deterrence.
Maybe the reason is that. Maybe because their Iskander and the ABLM version Khinzal being so expensive, Russia have no such advanced strategy.
Other reason should be the size of their targets. Israel It is small and relatively close to Irán, while Ukraine can enjoy a real dispersion of critical depots and Air bases.
Anyway Irán mastered the operational use of old long time storaged liquid ballistic missiles with medium range solid missiles with different warheads and RV. Iran relies in huge building capacity of a high number of ballistic missiles while Russia relies in specialized medium range conventional missiles. And suceeded Russia also in OWA drones doctrine.
But in ballistic short range missiles Irán is far better. Russia real short range ballistic missile It is the old Tochka, because Iskander have a semi ballistic trajectory and is designed to deceive Patriot systems, including also decoys. But Irán manufacture cheaper ones and use the overwhelming tactic using other conventional missiles like decoys.
Finally with the price of the Arrow3 and the US THAAD and SM3 interceptors, Iranian doctrine would also serve as a economic siege tactic. Something that Russia because the expensive price of Iskander and Khinzal can't be used for.
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
they launched more missile if you count them
i doubt you are aware of the number of missile Russia fired at Ukraine according to CSIS from September 20022 to September 2024 they fired 11466 missile in 2025 we had nights that russia fire 40 to 70 missile per night
as of 2025 february russia claim 1400 of those missiles were Iskander-m
about air defence ukraine had 250 s300
75 buk add to that 12 batteries of patriot 2 batteries of SAMP/T from france and itally *-12 bateries of NASAM , 11 NASAM
Nuffle
Registered Member
These missiles include mostly Iskander-class SRBMs. Iran launched approximately 180 MRBM missiles against Israel in October 2024 during the True Promise 2 campaign.
Iran launched more than 550 MRBM missiles against Israel during the 12-Day War (some sources estimate 630 MRBMs launched against Israel), a disparity even greater than that of Russia, which has never even had this capability.
There is a significant difference here.
ToddE
Trusted Member
- IRGC has launched ~600 missiles in 11 days. Before they launched hundreds in just one go (twice). As pointed out by others, Russians use Iskander SRBM while IRGC uses both liquid and solid MRBM, SRBM, Hypersonics, MaRVs at far longer range than Russia striking into bordering Ukraine.
- IRGC launches have to face US/NATO Search and Track censors from Persian Gulf, their bases in ME, Sats above. They then have to enter an airspace guarded by layers and layers of Israeli ABM shield which are getting US real time data. Still they get through. Ukrainian AD by no means is as integrated, diverse or layered/dense as Israeli. Its like comparing Ukrainian Airforce with Israeli Airforce counting their 4th generation aircrafts.
Russia may come close but IRGCAF's combat experience as a missile strike force is just far greater than anyone else in the entire world.
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