Balochistan Terrorism Watch

[jamal18]

No expert, but I honestly believe that with modern surveillance, drones and tactical mobility this scourge can be defeated.

Casualty rates will be so high that volunteers will become scarce.

 

[side-winder]

Yes - the ‘middle ground’ is limiting military action to combatants, even if it involves crossing the border.

I’m honestly a little shocked that so many old posters, who have followed various COIN campaigns over the years, have learned nothing and still think they can just massacre (combatants and non-combatants) their way to some kind of peace.

The law of armed conflict must be respected even if the other side doesn't - The non-combatants - if proven - to provide any sort of support including shelter / food / information to the combatants should feel the wrath of state to the level deemed necessary. However, indiscriminate targetting of entire population can never be justified.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

The rules absolutely do apply - soldiers are not machines. Dishonorable actions result in dishonorable individuals. You’ll destroy the Army’s culture and mindset and end up with the moral equivalent of the IDF.

Have you forgotten how much anger there was from merely displacing so many people from FATA during COIN ops?

You think that we’ll get better COIN results if we massacre entire villages and towns, men, women and children?

Tell that to most successful anti-separatism campaigns in history especially from close allies like in Turkey or China. There's a reason you failed, and they didn't.

Nothing you say aligns with actual real world examples or logic, it's just cheap moralist assumptions trying to be righteous with hardly any results to show for it.

 

[Musings]

Fighting insurgencies is a dirty job , rules of honourable soldier don't apply

Come on bro - rules have to be strictly followed in any country striving for betterment? Without respecting law you really are going downhill

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Tell that to most successful anti-separatism campaigns in history especially from close allies like in Turkey or China.

China did standard COIN operations and re-educated susceptible populations in large internment camps. It didn't kill civilians, let alone commit mass slaughter.

What you're advocating is both morally abhorrent and strategically counterproductive. Behave like an animal, become an animal. The solution is law, not barbarism.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Tell that to most successful anti-separatism campaigns in history especially from close allies like in Turkey or China. There's a reason you failed, and they didn't.

Nothing you say aligns with actual real world examples or logic, it's just cheap moralist assumptions trying to be righteous with hardly any results to show for it.

We don’t have complete success because the PA COIN campaigns have been largely incompetent and the political machinations of the Fauj have ensured that civilian institutions cannot step in to stabilize long term the way they should.

There are reams and reams of analysis by Pakistani and non-Pakistani scholars on COIN campaigns.

 

[mythbuster]

The rules absolutely do apply - soldiers are not machines. Dishonorable actions result in dishonorable individuals. You’ll destroy the Army’s culture and mindset and end up with the moral equivalent of the IDF.

Have you forgotten how much anger there was from merely displacing so many people from FATA during COIN ops?

You think that we’ll get better COIN results if we massacre entire villages and towns, men, women and children?

No one in his sane mind is pleading for the massacre of entire villages and towns....... displacement of people is most effective and the least harmful way of fighting entrenched terrorists.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

You're are taking it to the other extreme of hollow righteousness..... there's a middle ground somewhere.

One last thing on this - values are universally applicable. You can’t argue that what the IDF and IA are doing in Palestine and IIOJK is wrong and then turn around and call for similar policies to be implemented by the PA.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

No one in his sane mind is pleading for the massacre of entire villages and towns....... displacement of people is most effective and the least harmful way of fighting entrenched terrorists.

That is literally what rationalist argued for with his ‘collective punishment’ comments and reference to Banu Qurayza.

 

[mythbuster]

The law of armed conflict must be respected even if the other side doesn't - The non-combatants - if proven - to provide any sort of support including shelter / food / information to the combatants should feel the wrath of state to the level deemed necessary. However, indiscriminate targetting of entire population can never be justified.

Armed forces shall take a battery of human rights activists and legal experts along with them to fight insurgencies.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Armed forces shall take a battery of human rights activists and legal experts along with them to fight insurgencies.

Yeesh - all that we’re arguing is that non-combatants should not be deliberately targeted - you don’t need a battery of lawyers and experts for that, just good intel and clear rules of engagement.

 

[Sparten]

will it? everyone and their mum can build suicide quadcopters. Doesnt need to be high end, imo attacks will become commonplace and harder to stop as time goes on. No need for suicide bombers

And jammers make them blind.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

China did standard COIN operations and re-educated susceptible populations in large internment camps. It didn't kill civilians, let alone commit mass slaughter.

What you're advocating is both morally abhorrent and strategically counterproductive. Behave like an animal, become an animal. The solution is law, not barbarism.

I'm not here to debate on what China did or didn't and it's not like you would accept it anyway, but there's plenty of material that could be found online that you'd dismiss as simply "propaganda" and "lies".

Anyway what part of the below is abhorrent or counterproductive?

There needs to be a powerful deterrent policy, any Afghan state sponsorship invites a comprehensive air campaign that targets all their high value infrastructure from military to government to economic.

Once they feel pain, they'll understand the costs.

This needs to be paired with aggressive kinetic action on this side, constant surveillance on ground and air, airstrikes. If you need to evacuate civilians from some villages move them and smoke out the Talitubbies.

Anyone found to be aiding Taliban gets disposed off

 

[Oscar]

will it? everyone and their mum can build suicide quadcopters. Doesnt need to be high end, imo attacks will become commonplace and harder to stop as time goes on. No need for suicide bombers

An unmanned boat
Deployed quadcopters to attack a radar site in Crimea.

I certainly doubt these insurgents will get that tech
But they can still drive a truck
Put it next to an airbase
Radar site
Or otherwise
Maybe during another skirmish with India
And then cause total havoc.

 

[Oscar]

And jammers make them blind.

They do nothing to fiber optic ones