Balochistan Terrorism Watch

Distant_Observer said:
Pick one town in Afghanistan on the border and do this to it.
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The drones strikes or whatever means we used to took out 33 T's is a good one. Why to make more enemies by dropping massive bombs on towns with women, children and so massive collateral damage? That will be blunder on our part.

We need to understand precision strikes with minimum or no collateral damage are only way for this war. Otherwise, collateral damage always give fuel to the enemy and that's exactly what terrorists want YOU to do. They want to frustrate you to the point that you do mistakes and drop bombs killing civilian so they can justify their cause and unite more people against you. Such actions give a new life to terrorist networks.

Massive bomb on a town that kills 300 to 500 people is like an Eid for Terrorists. What else they need. That will give them enough life that they can continue their campaign for another decade. They really don't care if 20 or 30 of their low level fighters are killed, they will recruit tens of thousands after such massacre. The afghans which are busy infighting will all get united for one cause. Never even think to make such blunders.

You can't kill everbody, there is 4 to 6 crore population in Afghanistan and maybe 35000 towns & villages. Israel like solution doesn't work generally and especially here it can never work as poor GAZA is only 40 KM long and 6 KM wide tiny piece of land surrounded by sea and Israel. We got 2700 KM+ complex terrain border with afghanistan that's IMPOSSIBLE to guard completely.
 
Meanwhile in Bajaur. Begging for Taliban to get involved?

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I think I have finally figured it. FATA and some KPK people are to Afghan Pashtuns like what Indian Muslims are to Indian Hindus. Similar subservient behaviour. Interesting dynamic.
 
Pakistani military and police forces in Bannu earlier today after having conducted a successful search operation, capturing several FAK-TTP Khawarij terrorists and demolishing their hideouts, ridding the locals of the menace of terrorism:


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Oscar said:
An unmanned boat
Deployed quadcopters to attack a radar site in Crimea.

I certainly doubt these insurgents will get that tech
But they can still drive a truck
Put it next to an airbase
Radar site
Or otherwise
Maybe during another skirmish with India
And then cause total havoc.
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why?
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its not particulary complex or impossible to get. heck, even quite cheap. The suicide drones being pitched by GIDS (buster series) are available on aliexpress.

same stuff is available to TTP. For warhead use mortar or rpg. Can use the same fusing or rig a custom fuse with a nokia or whatever, or a custom warhead.
 
Why are we waiting for them to cross the durand line and attack ?

Why aren't we going after them across the boundary, hot pursuit, or via drones ?

To hell with the durand line.

If the enemy doesn't recognise this as the international boundary then neither do we. That means that the boundries can change and, so we can add more territory westwards.

Establish a 50 km buffer zone inside enemy territory, about 13 provinces, hold quick referendums and annex those new territories and let them become part of Pakistan specially the pashtun majority areas, so that we fully own all the pashtun areas along with their population, so no more pashtun ethnic card will be used anymore.

Better to let them become part of Pakistan along with their land instead of letting them fall prey to the highest bidder, which has no limits and Pakistan can't match all the bids, all the time, every time.
 
Cant determine anything. Govt shouldn't post any ambiguous thing or elaborate. Such as, these people were followed or something.
 
Distant_Observer said:
Meanwhile in Bajaur. Begging for Taliban to get involved?

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I think I have finally figured it. FATA and some KPK people are to Afghan Pashtuns like what Indian Muslims are to Indian Hindus. Similar subservient behaviour. Interesting dynamic.
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I keep shouting it, ITS THE LOCALS,

They are guilty
They are to blame
They are violent, backwards, jahils

When other countries take out hostiles they don't have to give a shit about the locals especially if they are complicit, so the U.S can bomb Afghanistan and not give a crap because they don't have hardly any afghans to complain in the US and the ones that do will obey the law

In Pakistan even though the locals are violent jahils and complicit, we have to walk on egg shells with very targeted IBOs at the risk of collateral and then accusations
This slows the whole process down, so what could take months takes years and years and we may never really end it, just control it and keep it to a minimum

Because these people want to play victim
They don't want to accept laws
They don't want police to cover their areas
They don't want the state to enforce it's writ
They want to be a black hole of lawlessness with their own tribal code taking precedence over national laws, the same goes for parts of Balochistan

Even if, dare I say it a majority, want law and order and national state writ enforced, their is enough jahils forming a significant percentage that don't and will tacitly support terrorism and be the first to complain about collateral


I don't value these scum people AT ALL, I am tired of their victimhood and want Pakistan for the greater good to treat these enemies like enemies

The world is heading for conflict and Pakistan needs to prepare and be ready

We simply cannot waste time on the donkeys from Balochistan and FATA
 
Distant_Observer said:
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I think I have finally figured it. FATA and some KPK people are to Afghan Pashtuns like what Indian Muslims are to Indian Hindus. Similar subservient behaviour. Interesting dynamic.
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Demands put forth by KPK govt:-

1. Tribal elders should make the Kharjite Afghans to leave.

2. If they can't, then they should vacate the area for a couple days to let the army do it.

3. If they don't want that either then it is their responsibility to avoid collateral.

Hosting terrorists in their houses for $$ will have consequences. Don't cry collateral damage when army smoke them.
 
Rationalist said:
I can give you 100 more accounts, it's not a disputed opinion that warfare has largely been indiscriminate throughout history. You just follow extremely recent post-WW2 morals designed by countries who themselves don't follow such rules. (In fact most countries don't, they just exist on paper to punish diplomatic opponents)

I quite frankly don't give a shit what Pakistan is a signatory to, it means nothing if you can get away with it or no one will care. Is Pakistan's support to Kashmir militancy or the Taliban historically legal according to the UN? Nah it wasn't. But no one really cared.
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you should really need to update your islamic knowledge brother. quraiza nay bad ehdi ki thee aap isko jawaz bana kay innocent civilian ko bomb karnay ka kah rahy? please correct your right and wrong concepts islamically
 
Before emotions take the better of people, let me just be clear and warn ahead of time that anyone here that is going to incite or advocate for violence against Pakistani citizens, I will thread ban and give warning points to.
Kindly post with common sense.
 
To all those pakistani and especially muslim please read and understand clearly that any innocent civilian be a muslim or non muslim if killed by someone during war or COIN or whatever reason deliberatley is doing the biggest sin after shirk. For your knowledge please study below verses from Quran and ahadees. install islam360 check there and study them.

The Grave Sin of Killing Innocent Civilians in Islam​


In Islam, the sanctity of human life is paramount, and the unlawful killing of any innocent person—Muslim or non-Muslim, including those under protection (dhimmi)—is considered one of the gravest sins, second only to shirk (associating partners with Allah). The Quran and authentic hadiths emphasize that such acts are strictly prohibited, whether in times of war or peace, and carry severe consequences in this life and the hereafter.

Below, we explore key Quranic verses and hadiths that underscore this principle, serving as a reminder for Muslims to uphold justice and mercy.

The Quran explicitly condemns the killing of innocent people and highlights the gravity of such actions:

  • Surah An-Nisa, Verse 92: "It is not for a believer to kill a believer except by mistake... And whoever kills a believer by mistake, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave and pay compensation to the deceased’s family unless they remit it freely..." This verse emphasizes that even accidental killing of a believer requires significant atonement, underscoring the sanctity of a believer’s life.

  • Surah An-Nisa, Verse 93: "But whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment." This verse warns of severe divine punishment for intentional murder of a believer, highlighting its gravity.

  • Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 32: "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land—it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one—it is as if he had saved mankind entirely..." This verse, applicable to Muslims, equates killing one innocent soul to killing all of humanity, emphasizing the universal sanctity of life, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.

  • Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 33: "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land..." This specifies punishments for those who actively wage war and cause corruption, but does not permit killing innocent civilians, even in conflict.
These verses collectively affirm that taking an innocent life—Muslim or non-Muslim—is a heinous sin with dire consequences, permissible only in strictly defined cases of justice.

Now below are some authentic ahadees of Rasoolullah (peace be upon him) reinforcing above Quranic ayats:

Sahih al-Bukhari 6864 and Sahih Muslim 4381: "Narrated `Abdullah: The Prophet said, The first cases to be decided among the people (on the Day of Resurrection) will be those of blood-shed. '"

Sahih al-Bukhari 3166: "Narrated `Abdullah bin `Amr: The Prophet said, Whoever killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims, shall not smell the smell of Paradise though its smell is perceived from a distance of forty years.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6896: Ibn 'Umar said: A boy was assassinated. 'Umar said, If all the people of San'a took part in the assassination I would kill them all. Al-Mughira bin Hakim said that his father said, Four persons killed a boy, and 'Umar said (as above). Abu Bakr, Ibn Az-Zubair, 'Ali and Suwaid bin Muqarrin gave the judgement of Al-Qisas (equality in punishment) in cases of slapping. And 'Umar carried out Al-Qisas for a strike with a stick. And 'Ali carried out Al-Qisas for three lashes with a whip. And Shuraih carried out for one last and for scratching.

Sahih Muslim 277: It is narrated on the authority of Usama b. Zaid that the Messenger of Allah ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat of Juhaina in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said:
There is no god but Allah, I attacked him with a spear. It once occurred to me and I talked about it to the Apostle ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ). The Messenger of Allah ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ) said: Did he profess There is no god but Allah, and even then you killed him? I said: Messenger of Allah, he made a profession of it out of the fear of the weapon. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Did you tear his heart in order to find out whether it had professed or not? And he went on repeating it to me till I wished I had embraced Islam that day. Sa'd said: By Allah, I would never kill any Muslim so long as a person with a heavy belly, i. e., Usama, would not kill. Upon this a person remarked: Did Allah not say this: And fight them until there is no more mischief and religion is wholly for Allah? Sa'd said: We fought so that there should be no mischief, but you and your companions wish to fight so that there should be mischief.

This hadith recounts the incident of Usama ibn Zaid RA, who killed a man in battle after the man pronounced the Shahada (testimony of faith). Usama RA thought the man said it out of fear of death. The Prophet (PBUH) rebuked him, saying, "Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?" This hadith emphasizes that even in war, a person’s declaration of faith or surrender must be respected, and killing them is unlawful unless they continue hostilities.


Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1395 and Sunan Ibn e Majah 2619: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: The world ceases to exist is less significant to Allah than killing a Muslim man.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3029: Narrated 'Amr bin Dinar: from Ibn 'Abbas that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: On the Day of Judgement, the murdered will come with the murderer's scalp and his head in his hand, and his jugular vein flowing blood saying: 'O Lord! This one killed me!' Until he comes close to the Throne. So they mentioned repentance to Ibn 'Abbas, and he recited this Ayah: And whoever kills a believer intentionally then his recompense is Hell (4:93 surah nisa ayat 93). He said: This Ayah was not abrogated nor (its ruling) replaced so from where is his repentance?

Sunan Ibn Majah 2621: It was narrated that Salim bin Abu Jad said:
“Ibn Abbas was asked about one who kills a believer deliberately, then repents, believes, does righteous deeds and follows true guidance. He said: 'Woe to him can there be any guidance for him? I heard your Prophet (ﷺ) say: “The killer and his victim will be brought on the day of Resurrection, with slain holding onto the head of his killer, saying: 'O Lord, ask this one, why did he kill me?” By Allah (SWT), Allah (SWT) the Mighty and Sublime revealed it to your Prophet (ﷺ) then He did not abrogate it after He revealed it.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 3932: It was narrated that ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr said:
“I saw the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) circumambulating the Ka’bah and saying: ‘How good you are and how good your fragrance; how great you are and how great your sanctity. By the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, the sanctity of the believer is greater before Allah than your sanctity, his blood and his wealth, and to think anything but good of him.’”

I have attached references please go check and verify them. if any muslim really fear hell he/she must carefuly read all above.

@Rationalist @Distant_Observer @mythbuster please read all above ayat and hadees.
 
Tariq Habib Afridi said:
To all those pakistani and especially muslim please read and understand clearly that any innocent civilian be a muslim or non muslim if killed by someone during war or COIN or whatever reason deliberatley is doing the biggest sin after shirk. For your knowledge please study below verses from Quran and ahadees. install islam360 check there and study them.

The Grave Sin of Killing Innocent Civilians in Islam​


In Islam, the sanctity of human life is paramount, and the unlawful killing of any innocent person—Muslim or non-Muslim, including those under protection (dhimmi)—is considered one of the gravest sins, second only to shirk (associating partners with Allah). The Quran and authentic hadiths emphasize that such acts are strictly prohibited, whether in times of war or peace, and carry severe consequences in this life and the hereafter.

Below, we explore key Quranic verses and hadiths that underscore this principle, serving as a reminder for Muslims to uphold justice and mercy.

The Quran explicitly condemns the killing of innocent people and highlights the gravity of such actions:

  • Surah An-Nisa, Verse 92: "It is not for a believer to kill a believer except by mistake... And whoever kills a believer by mistake, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave and pay compensation to the deceased’s family unless they remit it freely..." This verse emphasizes that even accidental killing of a believer requires significant atonement, underscoring the sanctity of a believer’s life.

  • Surah An-Nisa, Verse 93: "But whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment." This verse warns of severe divine punishment for intentional murder of a believer, highlighting its gravity.

  • Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 32: "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land—it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one—it is as if he had saved mankind entirely..." This verse, applicable to Muslims, equates killing one innocent soul to killing all of humanity, emphasizing the universal sanctity of life, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.

  • Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 33: "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land..." This specifies punishments for those who actively wage war and cause corruption, but does not permit killing innocent civilians, even in conflict.
These verses collectively affirm that taking an innocent life—Muslim or non-Muslim—is a heinous sin with dire consequences, permissible only in strictly defined cases of justice.

Now below are some authentic ahadees of Rasoolullah (peace be upon him) reinforcing above Quranic ayats:

Sahih al-Bukhari 6864 and Sahih Muslim 4381: "Narrated `Abdullah: The Prophet said, The first cases to be decided among the people (on the Day of Resurrection) will be those of blood-shed. '"

Sahih al-Bukhari 3166: "Narrated `Abdullah bin `Amr: The Prophet said, Whoever killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims, shall not smell the smell of Paradise though its smell is perceived from a distance of forty years.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6896: Ibn 'Umar said: A boy was assassinated. 'Umar said, If all the people of San'a took part in the assassination I would kill them all. Al-Mughira bin Hakim said that his father said, Four persons killed a boy, and 'Umar said (as above). Abu Bakr, Ibn Az-Zubair, 'Ali and Suwaid bin Muqarrin gave the judgement of Al-Qisas (equality in punishment) in cases of slapping. And 'Umar carried out Al-Qisas for a strike with a stick. And 'Ali carried out Al-Qisas for three lashes with a whip. And Shuraih carried out for one last and for scratching.

Sahih Muslim 277: It is narrated on the authority of Usama b. Zaid that the Messenger of Allah ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat of Juhaina in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said:
There is no god but Allah, I attacked him with a spear. It once occurred to me and I talked about it to the Apostle ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ). The Messenger of Allah ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ) said: Did he profess There is no god but Allah, and even then you killed him? I said: Messenger of Allah, he made a profession of it out of the fear of the weapon. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Did you tear his heart in order to find out whether it had professed or not? And he went on repeating it to me till I wished I had embraced Islam that day. Sa'd said: By Allah, I would never kill any Muslim so long as a person with a heavy belly, i. e., Usama, would not kill. Upon this a person remarked: Did Allah not say this: And fight them until there is no more mischief and religion is wholly for Allah? Sa'd said: We fought so that there should be no mischief, but you and your companions wish to fight so that there should be mischief.

This hadith recounts the incident of Usama ibn Zaid RA, who killed a man in battle after the man pronounced the Shahada (testimony of faith). Usama RA thought the man said it out of fear of death. The Prophet (PBUH) rebuked him, saying, "Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?" This hadith emphasizes that even in war, a person’s declaration of faith or surrender must be respected, and killing them is unlawful unless they continue hostilities.


Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1395 and Sunan Ibn e Majah 2619: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: The world ceases to exist is less significant to Allah than killing a Muslim man.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3029: Narrated 'Amr bin Dinar: from Ibn 'Abbas that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: On the Day of Judgement, the murdered will come with the murderer's scalp and his head in his hand, and his jugular vein flowing blood saying: 'O Lord! This one killed me!' Until he comes close to the Throne. So they mentioned repentance to Ibn 'Abbas, and he recited this Ayah: And whoever kills a believer intentionally then his recompense is Hell (4:93 surah nisa ayat 93). He said: This Ayah was not abrogated nor (its ruling) replaced so from where is his repentance?

Sunan Ibn Majah 2621: It was narrated that Salim bin Abu Jad said:
“Ibn Abbas was asked about one who kills a believer deliberately, then repents, believes, does righteous deeds and follows true guidance. He said: 'Woe to him can there be any guidance for him? I heard your Prophet (ﷺ) say: “The killer and his victim will be brought on the day of Resurrection, with slain holding onto the head of his killer, saying: 'O Lord, ask this one, why did he kill me?” By Allah (SWT), Allah (SWT) the Mighty and Sublime revealed it to your Prophet (ﷺ) then He did not abrogate it after He revealed it.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 3932: It was narrated that ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr said:
“I saw the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) circumambulating the Ka’bah and saying: ‘How good you are and how good your fragrance; how great you are and how great your sanctity. By the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, the sanctity of the believer is greater before Allah than your sanctity, his blood and his wealth, and to think anything but good of him.’”

I have attached references please go check and verify them. if any muslim really fear hell he/she must carefuly read all above.

@Rationalist @Distant_Observer @mythbuster please read all above ayat and hadees.
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Now consider if you think Nuclear weapons are acceptable in any form or fashion to a believer?
One that not only kills humans but leaves the earth a wasteland for all creatures for decades or centuries.

However, conversely apply the logic against modern weapons - warfare - holding innocents hostage - and weather it means any right or wrong will exist if one side or the other completely abides on the very contextual references you are giving?

After all, as you apply these please immedietly apply to the actions of Hazrat Ali RA and Hazrat Aisha RA as they led their forces during the battle of Jaml.

What you believe Allah will do to them? Based on some of the references you posted?

I am not suggesting they willingly killed non-combatants but there were innocents among the fighters then as well.

What about the campaigns by Hazrat Abu Bakr against the Kazzab?
Those were in urban areas and there were likely losses of civilians even though warfare was much more personal then.

So killing unarmed non-combatants just for revenge IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED in Islam NO MATTER HOW MUCH HORRORS THEY INFLICT UPON MUSLIM.

But, simply avoiding conflict to ensure that every non-combatant lives at the risk of defeat is not enforced by Islam.
 
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