Balochistan Terrorism Watch

[Rational Philosopher]

There are some scholars that argue that the account you posted about the fate of the Banu Qiurayza is inaccurate.

Regardless, the State of Pakistan is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions and therefore has committed to abiding by the rules if war which do not support your proposal to engage in collective punishment - your interpretation of the events around the Banu Qurayza is no longer applicable.

I can give you 100 more accounts, it's not a disputed opinion that warfare has largely been indiscriminate throughout history. You just follow extremely recent post-WW2 morals designed by countries who themselves don't follow such rules. (In fact most countries don't, they just exist on paper to punish diplomatic opponents)

I quite frankly don't give a shit what Pakistan is a signatory to, it means nothing if you can get away with it or no one will care. Is Pakistan's support to Kashmir militancy or the Taliban historically legal according to the UN? Nah it wasn't. But no one really cared.

 

[mythbuster]

I'm not sure how economical or affordable this really is, but a "drone force" made of around 200 Shahpar 3s and about 50 Akincis purely for dealing with threats that aren't India might be something worth considering.

This can leave our manned heavy fighters exclusively for conventional ops against India. Drone force does counter terrorism ops and Afghanistan campaigns.

@Panzerkiel Not sure if this is affordable or being considered

It's being done .

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

I quite frankly don't give a shit what Pakistan is a signatory to, it means nothing if you can get away with it or no one will care. Is Pakistan's support to Kashmir militancy or the Taliban historically legal according to the UN? Nah it wasn't. But no one really cared.

Support for resistance movements against occupation is vastly different from a military deliberately engaging in war crimes.

If you admire Israel’s degenerate actions so much, go apply for Israeli citizenship and engage in civilian massacres and genocide to your hearts content.

The Pakistani military has not engaged in war crimes and I see nothing from a policy standpoint that would suggest they’ll engage in criminal actions like you propose.

 

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Fair enough

 

[RealNapster]

I'm not sure how economical or affordable this really is, but a "drone force" made of around 200 Shahpar 3s and about 50 Akincis purely for dealing with threats that aren't India might be something worth considering.

This can leave our manned heavy fighters exclusively for conventional ops against India. Drone force does counter terrorism ops and Afghanistan campaigns.

@Panzerkiel Not sure if this is affordable or being considered

Shahpar 3 can carry 2.5 times the weapons load of TB-2 and is faster then TB-2 with all other specs comparable. I don't know why we don't use it more often against terrorist hideouts.

 

[RealNapster]

Something serious has to be done about civilian complicity, because we can pick off a few militants here and there for eternity but if these support systems remain and they prevent properly effective action then it's going to be a forever war.

The army should tell them you are either with the terrorists or Pakistan and let them make a choice instead of fence sitting. After that evacuate and obliterate.

It's not about complicity always. I mean anyone can rent a house on a residential area in Rawalpindi. Now that person can settle his family there or act of being a good neighbor while building bombs in night.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

It's not about complicity always. I mean anyone can rent a house on a residential area in Rawalpindi. Now that person can settle his family there or act of being a good neighbor while building bombs in night.

Exactly

Per his views, the US should have just reduced the entire city of Abbottabad to rubble because of one terrorist hiding there and the Indian attacks on Pakistan, that killed civilians, were completely justified.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Exactly

Per his views, the US should have just reduced the entire city of Abbottabad to rubble because of one terrorist hiding there and the Indian attacks on Pakistan, that killed civilians, were completely justified.

You are just being stupid now, and I'm not sure if I should address stupid claims like these.

Under my view, no attack on Pakistan is justified, but you seem to be unable to comprehend the fact that what people view as justified is entirely subjective. The only thing that matters is whether someone has the power to pursue what they want.

After all, India did indeed bomb civilian targets and did the world intervene? No. It was Pakistan's strength that kept it in checked. The US levelled Vietnam and Afghanistan, did anyone intervene? No!

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

If Pakistan wants to become a power it needs to learn to assert itself.

Committing war crimes is not a way to ‘assert yourself’.

The Israelis have been getting away with their atrocities, despite the majority of the world loathing them, because of their influence over Western politicians and the support of Western (especially US) governments, who have not only provided military and financial aid, but also blocked any punitive actions against them by the international community.

Collective punishment of non-combatants is a war crime and arguments in support of such degenerate policies should not be entertained on this forum any more than posts justifying Israeli and Indian military atrocities against civilians should not be entertained.
@Waz @Musings

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

You are just being stupid now, and I'm not sure if I should address stupid claims like these.

Under my view, no attack on Pakistan is justified, but you seem to be unable to comprehend the fact that what people view as justified is entirely subjective. The only thing that matters is whether someone has the power to pursue what they want.

After all, India did indeed bomb civilian targets and did the world intervene? No. It was Pakistan's strength that kept it in checked. The US levelled Vietnam and Afghanistan, did anyone intervene? No!

Why is that a ‘stupid claim’?

Enlighten me by dissecting it rationally and logically.

 

[mythbuster]

Exactly

Per his views, the US should have just reduced the entire city of Abbottabad to rubble because of one terrorist hiding there and the Indian attacks on Pakistan, that killed civilians, were completely justified.

You're are taking it to the other extreme of hollow righteousness..... there's a middle ground somewhere.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

You're are taking it to the other extreme of hollow righteousness..... there's a middle ground somewhere.

Yes - the ‘middle ground’ is limiting military action to combatants, even if it involves crossing the border.

I’m honestly a little shocked that so many old posters, who have followed various COIN campaigns over the years, have learned nothing and still think they can just massacre (combatants and non-combatants) their way to some kind of peace.

 

[mythbuster]

Yes - the ‘middle ground’ is limiting military action to combatants, even if it involves crossing the border.

I’m honestly a little shocked that so many old posters, who have followed various COIN campaigns over the years, have learned nothing and still think they can just massacre (combatants and non-combatants) their way to some kind of peace.

Fighting insurgencies is a dirty job , rules of honourable soldier don't apply

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Fighting insurgencies is a dirty job , rules of honourable soldier don't apply

The rules absolutely do apply - soldiers are not machines. Dishonorable actions result in dishonorable individuals. You’ll destroy the Army’s culture and mindset and end up with the moral equivalent of the IDF.

Have you forgotten how much anger there was from merely displacing so many people from FATA during COIN ops?

You think that we’ll get better COIN results if we massacre entire villages and towns, men, women and children?