Hey Pak Military and intelligence listen

[Pradotlc]

Also I really don't understand the opposition to army rule.

because you dont see the real Pakistan.... you dont see the kids with no access to schooling or even shoes.

there is nothing good what they have done.... hard facts.

 

[Pradotlc]

I don't think that I am doing anything that is against Pakistan. I support Pakistani people. I strongly believe that the survival of Pak military is in the survival of Pakistan. Am I wrong? If I am wrong then its a very very serious matter and that case Pakistani military is definitely not worthy of getting fed with our resources. But I am sure that this is not the case. Pak military is as patriotic as any other person of Pakistan.

in the end it amounts to good governance. I have never seen Pakistan governed well. think who did this for the last 70 years+ ?

 

[Pradotlc]

If Pakistan had a proper democracy from the beginning. This would have been the outcome

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not sure what you are laughing at there isnt much difference between Nigerians and Pakistani reputations... maybe you should travel out side your village a little?

may be if army didnt over throw gov?.... or threaten Jinnah's sister out of politics? or destroy institution Pakistan wouldn't be like Nigeria.

 

[Pradotlc]

Just leave Pakistan and make money outside and help keep your family afloat back home.

Our elders spent their lives waiting for improvement and we might be next so be the change

yes every Pakistani with ability and talent have already done so or on the their way. They dont want to waste their lives.

 

[Pradotlc]

leave this country if possible. its the best solution

1.6M Pakistan have already left in the last three years

so yes that is the best solution.

 

[Pradotlc]

Exactly. I am perfectly ok with military ruling Pakistan. Infact I encourage military to come to front and rule us properly.

unfortunately that doesnt even work..

lets take example of Ayub and Musharraf clear a 100 times better than the current ruler. yet they didnt last ...

why?

because those below him wanted a taste of power... no matter how badly it screwed the country. Kyani cooperated with PPP and US to get rid of Musharraf... as he refused mass drone strikes on border areas. Ayub likewise was kicked by Bhutto and Yayha Khan colaborating and screwing East Pakistan.

sorry military rule doesnt work.

PERIOD.

 

[fitpOsitive]

1.6M Pakistan have already left in the last three years

so yes that is the best solution.

I never wanted to leave Pakistan. Even I left.

 

[Pradotlc]

I never wanted to leave Pakistan. Even I left.

good call ...

 

[Pradotlc]

I never understood this mindset. I can understand the appeal obviously living in a more developed, healthy, society with more opportunities but it's honestly a besharm thing to do to make your life's goal to go live in a country built by the hard work of another people and beg to be a part of them.

It's even more besharm when you know they don't like you and anti-immigration is as high as ever but you plop over there then complain about not being liked. Not much class in that.

Eventually all third-worlders will have to realise you only gain respect by building your own native lands, not by escaping elsewhere. You should be the change you want to see. Immigration is seeing its last with the growing waves of anti-immigragion populism and nationalisms which makes sense as this has always been the case in history unless it was straight up invasions.

nice lecture...

do you live in Pakistan?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hey Military, you are not alone — we stand with you. But building a nation is more than marching or parading. Surprisingly, a stronger nation is built through skillful hands that may seem weak otherwise — like honeybees crafting a sturdy honeycomb or ants building underground tunnels that withstand nature’s forces.


It wasn’t the military that created Pakistan; it was the people, the political leadership, and the skilled hands of Quaid-e-Azam that brought it into being.


Let’s join hands to build a society where soldiers live among the people, without the need for isolated cantonments. If you believe your children will seek a future abroad, remember this: those who leave their motherland often find themselves lost in the long run, losing more than they gain. Immigration, in the long term, is rarely the right choice.

 

[fitpOsitive]

I believe that you are with us; the people of Pakistan.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

nice lecture...

do you live in Pakistan?

I didn't leave Pakistan

Also it's not a lecture but facts. The world doesn't want immigration, wake up and smell the coffee, in Ireland they are beating Indians on the streets and in the US & Europe anti-immigration is the focal point of popular politics.

Knowing this will you still beg to enter these countries and then cry racism when you hear that?

 

[313Ghazi]

Exactly. I am perfectly ok with military ruling Pakistan. Infact I encourage military to come to front and rule us properly.

They have done for more than 40% of Pakistans existence. What do they have to show for it?

Other than the military, what other institution functions in Pakistan?

What economic wonders did they achieve?

What qualifications do they have to rule? My postman delivers the post efficiently every day - maybe we should send him to Pakistan and make him supreme ruler too?

Your idea is completely flawed.

1. The army is taught to fight wars and defend territory - nothing else. They are not qualified to govern. They dont learn anything about the world outside of thier bubble.

2. It always relies on a "messiah". No military rule ever built institutions that would help establish continued sustainable competent governance.

3. No military dictator can he held to account. There are no consequences to thier actions.

I dont think Parliamentary democracy is the correct fit for Pakistan - but its a damn sight better than military dictators.

Politicians know they have to deliver.

Politicians can be changed.

Politicians have to have some awareness of public demands.

Politicians don't have a million armed men to protect them from consequences.

Ideally what we need is systems.

A strong judiciary to pass judgement on those accused of breaking the law.

A strong police force to enforce the law.

Competent bureaucrats to administer governance.

Strong well funded thinktanks and research centres (based predominantly in iur Universities) to research all sorts of matters and help both the politicians with the defining of new policies the bureaucrats with the administration of them.

A competent and functioning civil service to carry out the day to day tasks of the state and its instruments such as schools, hospitals, etc.

When we have those systems in place, the role od the "leader" is limited to approving policies and providing guidance and leadership. They are management.

 

[Pradotlc]

didn't leave Pakistan

so Dubai didnt give a visa?... couldn't get a job against competitive candidates?..

no chacha mama?

 

[Pradotlc]

lso it's not a lecture but facts. The world doesn't want immigration,

People dont want stupid and dishonest immigrants. Do you know what UAE has banned Pakistanis?

research and tell me why?